Warning to be given by admins before temporary bans
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People should just be good. Having warnings with no other consequence than slight fear or an even more troll-y feeling is almost like me getting pissed at a pub team because they won't work together and keep sucking... stupid and pointless.
However, the idea has a bit of merit. Maybe a shorter ban, like 12 hour bans as warnings, but as far as warnings without ban, nuh uh.
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However, the idea has a bit of merit. Maybe a shorter ban, like 12 hour bans as warnings, but as far as warnings without ban, nuh uh.
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Temporary bans ARE warnings. Our current system is effective and fair to all players, including the ones who receive bans.
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I agree. Warnings should be given.
If you ban somebody most likely they're not coming back. If they're a douchebag, that's great, but if they're a player that's not one and just made a mistake accidentally that's bad. That's one player lost most likely. One player that could of donated, helped out, became a great regular. All gone.
Remember that not all people speak English. I don't know if the rules come in different languages, but it's wrong to discriminate. Just because they couldn't read. Usually a slap or a verbal/ admin csay with their name will get their attention. Let them know they're doing something wrong.
It's not so hard to give out warnings. It takes 3 seconds. Three seconds of your time wasted. So what? That's barely anything. Even if somehow it takes 1 minute. Still nothing.
I usually do this with warnings.
admin csay to warn the player > slay(or gag depending on what's happening) > kick > ban
Bans should always be the last resort imo. It just makes more work to the people that work on the forums dealing with the bans if it could be dealt with so simply. Of course, hackers get no love. They always should get a auto ban. Hard-core Griefers too. I severely dislike racism, but kids these day are just so use to it. Just like curse words were for us. It's in music and everything. There should be warnings for racism unless it's directed at someone.
This is all just my opinion by the way.
If you ban somebody most likely they're not coming back. If they're a douchebag, that's great, but if they're a player that's not one and just made a mistake accidentally that's bad. That's one player lost most likely. One player that could of donated, helped out, became a great regular. All gone.
Remember that not all people speak English. I don't know if the rules come in different languages, but it's wrong to discriminate. Just because they couldn't read. Usually a slap or a verbal/ admin csay with their name will get their attention. Let them know they're doing something wrong.
It's not so hard to give out warnings. It takes 3 seconds. Three seconds of your time wasted. So what? That's barely anything. Even if somehow it takes 1 minute. Still nothing.
I usually do this with warnings.
admin csay to warn the player > slay(or gag depending on what's happening) > kick > ban
Bans should always be the last resort imo. It just makes more work to the people that work on the forums dealing with the bans if it could be dealt with so simply. Of course, hackers get no love. They always should get a auto ban. Hard-core Griefers too. I severely dislike racism, but kids these day are just so use to it. Just like curse words were for us. It's in music and everything. There should be warnings for racism unless it's directed at someone.
This is all just my opinion by the way.
I somewhat do agree with this. But then, I look back and remember how 89% of the players who get banned are huge assholes in general, and think that only kick/ban are worth it. Admins aren't going to waste half an hour dealing with jackasses who cheat or grief, if someone is doing something that's eventually going to empty your server, you take immediate action. If the person isn't happy, that's their problem, they shouldn't have done that in the first place.
Everyone is under some crazy assumption that Skial admins never give out warnings. Most admins warn players before any action is taken. The only time I don't warn a player is when there is a report and it's assumed they will be banned but even then I suppose we can give a warning. Or unless they have already demonstrated their stupidity via text/mic and I can already tell it's not worth the effort.
It's also already been pointed out that there is no way to keep track of warnings so even if it was mandatory there is no way for me to know if Maddo warned someone a month ago for griefing. It's not practical.
Someone said lower the ban lengths... well that won't fix anything because if we go from 24 to 12 hours people will still think that's just way too long and make such a HUGE deal about it like they already do with the 24 hour bans. The system is fine the way it is. Maybe some admins should warn more often but that's up to them so whatever. I don't understand the purpose of this thread, "make it obligatory for admins to give warnings." Well we already do. And if we don't it's not our fault people didn't bother to read the rules and broke one of the few that we have.
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It's also already been pointed out that there is no way to keep track of warnings so even if it was mandatory there is no way for me to know if Maddo warned someone a month ago for griefing. It's not practical.
Someone said lower the ban lengths... well that won't fix anything because if we go from 24 to 12 hours people will still think that's just way too long and make such a HUGE deal about it like they already do with the 24 hour bans. The system is fine the way it is. Maybe some admins should warn more often but that's up to them so whatever. I don't understand the purpose of this thread, "make it obligatory for admins to give warnings." Well we already do. And if we don't it's not our fault people didn't bother to read the rules and broke one of the few that we have.
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Except he called the vote only once, it failed, then he continued to play the game up until he was banned. It's all there in his twitch VODs, unless I missed something in the blink of an eye.
Which is why I'm surprised that that ended up in a ban, but less so in that the person he started the vote on took exception to it, and possibly called an admin, and I can see how that would end up if it was the word of a regular against a rando.
A regulars word means nothing more than any random player, everyone should be treated equal, in fact there is an argument to say, a regular should know better and be more aligned with the rules, so bearing that in mind, should a regular breaking the rules be penalised harsher than someone with 10 minutes playtime on our servers? Me, I don't think so, but there is a debate to be had there as well.
Your friend ended up with a 1 day ban which is now long expired, there is nothing we can do to rectify that now. Perhaps this thread should focus more on "should admin's provide info on how to appeal a ban when issued?" so that people know they have that course of action if they feel their ban was unwarranted.
hXcjedders
Australian Skial God
I think giving a link to the Skial forums or something like that with a message stating that "you can appeal your ban here" would be a good idea, but it would be hard to get it across cause you'd either have to drop it in chat or message them on steam. If you dropped it in chat, you'd have to provide a message stating [PERSON] I am going to ban you now, followed by the message. Then you'd have to give them a little time to absorb it. I don't think you can provide it in the console reason but I could be wrong.
Yeah it's probably difficult to execute, also not sure how long the max string can be in the 'reason' when you issue a ban. Also it's probably a bad idea, because what you are actualy saying straight off is 'I might be wrong about banning you' and would probably create a long list of invalid appeals.