I Still Don't Get Why Everyone Hates 2Fort.

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Joeman said:
But why?
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The map is broken imo the intel room is only accesable through 2 long hallways both of which start at the enemy teams spawn which means engies can build sentrys out of spawn and protect both doors, also if you are going to the intel and you kill someone up top then get the intel and have comeback that person has respawned, also there are so many fucking "sewer parties" because the sewers make no sense to use in legit gameplay, the way i see it, its a war of turtles and fuck that, dusty is much more fun
 
No, its the fact that many people who only ever play on dustbowl struggle to play on other maps, because they get used to all the clusterfucks- Not that im saying that 2fort isn't a clusterfuck- But at least in 2fort there are at least a few ways to go to get the intelligence, with dustbowl there are like 2 to go to reach the cap points. I also tend to find, that apart from HARDCORE dustbowl players, people tend to get bored with it after about 30 minutes
 
Joeman said:
No, its the fact that many people who only ever play on dustbowl struggle to play on other maps, because they get used to all the clusterfucks- Not that im saying that 2fort isn't a clusterfuck- But at least in 2fort there are at least a few ways to go to get the intelligence, with dustbowl there are like 2 to go to reach the cap points. I also tend to find, that apart from HARDCORE dustbowl players, people tend to get bored with it after about 30 minutes
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Are you serious??? There are only 2 ways to get to the intel in 2 fort both right next to the defending teams spawn
 
Joeman said:
No, its the fact that many people who only ever play on dustbowl struggle to play on other maps, because they get used to all the clusterfucks- Not that im saying that 2fort isn't a clusterfuck- But at least in 2fort there are at least a few ways to go to get the intelligence, with dustbowl there are like 2 to go to reach the cap points. I also tend to find, that apart from HARDCORE dustbowl players, people tend to get bored with it after about 30 minutes
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" arguably the worst stock map in the game and try and play the objective, which for some reason is behind their spawn point." ~ _STAR
 
Joeman said:
No, its the fact that many people who only ever play on dustbowl struggle to play on other maps, because they get used to all the clusterfucks- Not that im saying that 2fort isn't a clusterfuck- But at least in 2fort there are at least a few ways to go to get the intelligence, with dustbowl there are like 2 to go to reach the cap points. I also tend to find, that apart from HARDCORE dustbowl players, people tend to get bored with it after about 30 minutes
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Dustbowl is harder to defend on than 2fort, where not even teamwork pays off all that greatly since the optimal sentry spots are right next to the spawn. You can go in and sap as much as you like with a demoman blowing shit up in the meanwhile, then you come to the intel room where a sentry is most likely standing as well, so you have to take that one out, then you have to return with the intel and, guess what, the spawn is all covered with a fully updated engy base again. All this while players prioritize you as their number 1 target.since you have the intel.

On Dustbowl's last points you have to destroy a sentry nest and then cap the point that takes like 6 seconds to cap, max.
 
2fort is a great map for noobs to learn on in terms of how to use a class in general. None of the competition is fairly fierce unless you're actually trying to attack the enemy base and pounding your face against the wall of sentry.

In general it's a good map for trying out new things for the classes, as it has a lot of shortcuts around the map only accessible to rocket jumping and scout FANing
 
I find all maps get boring for me if I play them too long, the only map I never seem to get bored with is egypt. Hence the reason I never stay on one server to long, I am not what you would call a regular on any server, I am a true TF2-nomad.
2fort bores me after a while because of the lack of team work, on the odd time I have seen coordination it does take on a new meaning and really is a tough map to work. but this coordination doesnt normaly last long then its back to dm on the bridge.
I would seriously like to see a well balanced ctf map being made, turbine is to small, and I dont really know any others..
But then again, I would like to see a freeze tag mod in tf2.. anyone knows where I can play this, i will be eternaly grateful.
 
Maddo said:
turbine is to small
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Turbine I find to be a decent CTF map but my only gripe with it is if you get a couple of engineers clustered in the corner of the ramp and catwalk on the enemy spawn side you can basically spawn trap them because its really hard to break that when either the sentry pops you coming out of the vent or the far door and the rest of your team is mopping up the entrance below you to secure a path to the flag
 
hXcjedders said:
Turbine I find to be a decent CTF map but my only gripe with it is if you get a couple of engineers clustered in the corner of the ramp and catwalk on the enemy spawn side you can basically spawn trap them because its really hard to break that when either the sentry pops you coming out of the vent or the far door and the rest of your team is mopping up the entrance below you to secure a path to the flag
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Turbine_pro has the banana, which I think solves this, could be wrong if I misunderstand teh placement you mean. but yeah, it can be a real spawn campy map, especialy with demos constantly stickying up the shutter door and a medic heavy combo in teh vents.
 
http://www.tfportal.de/gfx/content/tf2/maps/ctf_turbine_big.jpg

The corner the camera is in and the opposing corner are what I'm referring to. But yeah, I think the spawn camping stems from the map being small as well, because if the people being trapped kill a couple people, they're quickly replaced since the spawn isn't too far away.

Edit:I just took a look at pro, never played on it. Yeah I think that banana would solve the aformentioned problem.
 
How to play Dustbowl: Spam engies if you're defending, Spam Demo and Medics if you are attacking.
How to play 2fort: Get one Engineer and fuck off with a random class because it takes a stupid amount of time and teamwork and spawn camping in order to cap, which 2fort is filled with 12 year old players who only play spy, pyro and sniper. Don't even bother defending because a single engineer can stop multiple ubers because of how chokey it is.

They are both terrible maps, the only reason I play on these maps it is because friends are on.
 
hXcjedders said:
http://www.tfportal.de/gfx/content/tf2/maps/ctf_turbine_big.jpg

The corner the camera is in and the opposing corner are what I'm referring to. But yeah, I think the spawn camping stems from the map being small as well, because if the people being trapped kill a couple people, they're quickly replaced since the spawn isn't too far away.

Edit:I just took a look at pro, never played on it. Yeah I think that banana would solve the aformentioned problem.
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One edition of the pro version has boxes so you can get into teh banana from your intel, the other one hasnt (think the pro_b2 version has). so on one, you can only use it for atack, unless you are a jumping class.
We played the pro version in last ugc hl season, the banana becomes the main route for capping.
anyway, I think we have deviated from 2fort :D
 
i hate engineers in this map rly ... its not bad map but if in enemy team are many engineers then its are BAD :|
 
I liked 2fort when I barely began TF2. I would always engineer camp, black box spam the snipers, or cloak as a spy on the bridge and wait for victims. That's about it.

Now it's just a distant memory.
 
I used to go on 2Fort a little bit when I first started playin TF2, but all the butthurt people, turtling around, and the fact that it's ctf made me leave. It's an ok map at times, but not the first ctf one I'd go to
Joeman said:
How? I see more action in one round of 2fort than i have ever seen on dustbowl
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You've obviously never been to US21 when old regs are there
 
Blade the Hero said:
2Fort is my favorite map. Most of the regualars on the LA+ server are awesome, and everyone has a great time. Some undesirables come into the server occasionaly and piss everyone off, but that happens.

The only thing that annoys me on 2Fort are the battlements and pyros. All the bad snipers pile onto the battlements and take turns getting destroyed by Demomen and Soldiers. And I've always hated Pyros, but when I go Spy and there are five Pyros on the other team, doing anything besides dying is a challenge.

And everytime I go play Dustbowl the other team is camping a corner with six Engies and there is so much projectile spam. Both maps are easy to defend, but Dustbowl takes defense to a stupid degree.

/done
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Blade Hero didn't know that you were the actualy BFB Blade Hero on the LA+ servers.
 
Because most "real players" are butthurt on how they always get raepd
And how repetitive it is
It's basically the one map that got me way into TF2 when I first started playing it, I used to play 2fort every. single. day.
 
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