Xantam

Server-Clearing Cynic
Contributor
All,

This is a suggestion thread to remove @Jermaphobe from staff. I have tagged him knowing he'll see this anyway but also so he can try and reply, justify or explain himself. I know this thread will have to be heard by @Bottiger and the end result for removal is highly unlikely but the issues that are presented in this thread cannot simply be ignored.

There are no formal guidelines, forums or forms for staff complaints. I feel there should be, legitimate cases of admin abuse or admin misconduct, or even admin error, should be raised so we can better ourselves. TF2 is a dying breed and if Skial wants to be the best (let's face it, we're definitely in the top rankings!) we need proper channels to deal with staff issues. So for now, a suggestion thread will have to suffice.

I'll be as detailed and thorough as I can in this suggestion/report because obviously I have a personal desired result which I feel would only be a benefit to the team and the community. Others may have a different desired outcome which is fine.

I'll split this into a few sections. The sections being how I and others perceive J's behaviour, his attitude, how he deals with things, how he speaks to people and his overall performance. I don't imagine this will be a large section.
The second section will be the evidence of misconduct and errors I and others have noticed so far which have lead me to make this thread.

I became an admin here in Feb 2019, a year ago this month. Jerma became an admin shortly after in April 2019, I had never worked with him as a mapper or contributor but I have seen and watched him as a staff member, an admin, for his entire "career" here in Skial. I've had ups and downs with J, more downs than anything. I am a very easy going guy, I try to get on with most people, but I am also very critical and try to not only point out issues, but solutions. I have found time and time again while observing Jerma handle reports, appeals, discord public channels and even speaking on the servers, to be extremely hostile to the community and even to other staff.

As an example of this, let's do a quick search for his name.
https://stats.skial.com/#summary/chat/All/Jerma
Which brings up immediately the following which catches my eye;
DEATH RUN | US ████ 02/02/2020 - 03:16:54 AM Milk [Overlord] Jermaphobe : Nah, Milk's dumbass can remain muted
I could go on, there are literally pages of this. I am an admin and I punish for some small things people don't like sometimes but yet I am still liked amongst the players. I have banned @Sir Trooper and yet he still likes me and talks to me regularly, it's the same with others. I don't know how he manages to do it but Jerma seems to manage to upset everyone he comes into contact with through his superiority-god-complex or just his rudeness or attitude.

We have these posts here where Jerma was quite abrasive or rude for no apparent reason;
https://www.skial.com/posts/786843/ - this is a rust app. We're trying to staff it, not make people think we're rude staff. If I were to reply, I'd have probably said "Sorry for the delay, things take time in Skial" and fluffed it up a bit more.
https://www.skial.com/threads/appeal-nightwing3000.85568/ - while the appeal was denied rightfully so, I just don't see the need to speak to players in this kind of manner, I have denied appeals as other staff have and it's been the end of it after a decent explanation.
I don't want to continue dragging these up as I feel this thread is going to go on forever.

I have done some recon work around Skial and gathered a few bits of feedback. I have spoken to 5 active staff at random and asked for their thoughts, every single one of them agreed with my position and my feelings. I am obviously not going to name these staff as I am not going to start a conspiracy - this thread is mine and off my own back but they are free to feedback if they want, though I doubt they will.
I have spoken to over 10 players, most of which have had no direct dealings with Jerma, all of which agreed with me except 1 who valued his activity over his issues for some reason, despite recognising he had major issues. Again, I could survey the entire community but I don't want to start a witch hunt or conspiracy, I am just here to relay facts.

I am a TF2 admin. I have expressed an interest in fixing up the skial forums for the community to make them all appealing and productive but have never asked for any ranks. In my time here, Jerma has managed to secure TF2 Admin, Rust Admin, forum mod, has been asking for forum admin for months and has begged for discord admin which he finally got last night, citing there were no discord admins online, despite Biggie and Toxik being online and responding. I questioned this for the reasons I stated and got met with ignorance and this;
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The "salty" emoji. He changed that after I asked why he was promoted to discord admin. This is a prime example of his attitude towards his staff colleagues.

A thread was made at some time in 2019 suggesting Jerma step down or resign. I believe it had something to do with @Kaleido and bloop. Obviously this did not happen but that thread seems to have disappeared? No staff have the ability to delete threads. No staff except forum mods, which Jerma is for some reason, did Jerma delete his own complaint thread?

I've never gotten shit in all my time as an admin because I don't suck
To quote a wise, wise man...

I'll move on to the misconduct now as I have ranted on enough I think about his demeanour.
I am not saying everyone should adopt my stance and my methods when it comes to administrating the community but I personally maintain a standard where I only ban when I am 100% certain they are breaking the rules. Not 99%, 100% always. If this means a hacker gets off for a few more hours while staff review a demo of mine, so be it. I'd rather not have an innocent player removed from Skial because of a "hunch", they could be potential future donors or even future staff, which I'd drive away by wrongfully punishing them, not to mention I'd have to apologise after... ugh.

That being said, there are cases cropping up more regular than I'd like which show an absolutely careless and reckless attitude to handing out punishments to our players, some of them being regulars. I am not going to rip apart Jermas ban or silence list because I don't have the time and I am not that sad but the ones I have handy speak enough for themselves.

https://www.skial.com/threads/appeal-viper.85012/
In this thread a player was banned and a demo was produced. A player even said this in the appeal which speaks volumes about Jermas attitude:
"Jerma's next line will be: You were caught cheating, you will not be unbaned" - this comment was removed for violating the unban thread policy. The thread from start to finish lasted an astonishing 7 days. It took 3 days for Jerma to reply despite being on the forums daily and being tagged on day 1. I had to personally review the evidence my self which Jerma had reviewed and recorded and I saw no hacks at all, not even remotely, not 1%. The player was then unbanned on the 7th day. For 7 days, a player was unable to play on a community he had accumulated nearly 1000 hours on, for a ban that should never have been applied, and an appeal that should have been handled 6 days prior to the date it was finalised.

https://www.skial.com/sourcebans/index.php?p=banlist&advType=ip&advSearch=199.8.13.248
I am unsure what the deal with this is, I just stumbled across it by accident in honesty, but again, it shows a player being permanently banned on the 30/09/2019 - I can't see a removal date unfortunately so I dread to think how long it was in place for, but the unban reason is "lack of evidence", yet another dusty f-up of hasty banning without reason.

https://www.skial.com/sourcebans/index.php?p=banlist&advSearch=[U:1:905061841]&advType=steamid
This thread probably upset me the most out of them all for reasons below. This player appealed his permanent ban for hacking, Jerma responded on the same day (thank god..) explaining he'll remain banned while other staff review the demo. It seems that other staff did review the demo and it was discovered the player was indeed innocent as his ban was lifted. But, the part that upsets me is, rather than admit he was wrong and apologise for the inconvenience to a loyal player, the thread was simply just marked as "resolved". This is a regular pattern with Jerma, he refuses to acknowledge when he is wrong, never truly apologises and gets very defensive about any time he is challenged.

https://www.skial.com/threads/appeal-♦•general•hawka•♦.85672/
This thread being the most recent. I have played probably over hundreds of hours on DR with Hawka and he plays some god awful music, not to my taste. I initiate votemutes on him all the time, when they fail (as they do 99% of the time), I use !ignore.
"Whether music over voice chat is spam will be left to a server vote. However music is NOT allowed on trade servers." - I follow this to the letter.
!ignore exists for everyone on all skial servers, you do not have to listen to anyone you don't want and you can ignore them and unignore them on a whim. The fact that Hawka was not votemuted tells me 2 things; 1, people liked it enough to not try it to begin with (as they usually do like it, honestly), and 2, Jerma didn't follow the server rules, ignored the players on there who may have been listening (as they usually do) and silenced him for a week for music.
I confronted Jerma on the appeal thread and got no response.
I questioned Jerma in our private staff discord channel #Admin and got no response until I piled a bit of pressure on for a reply. It took hours, despite him being active and handling other reports and talking to other people, Jerma ignored my request for information to why he silenced a donor, a regular and someone ultimately who did nothing wrong. The reply I got was... odd. To prevent leaks from our staff chat I will not be putting publically the chatlogs but all staff can see them on demand. The bottom line was jerma told me he did it by accident. When I questioned further, Jerma said he was playing music loudly (not against the rules) and that Jerma joined the server where a vote to mute another player was already ongoing and passed, which Hawka began playing music again after. I again quizzed further and asked why he didn't put it to a server vote as per the rules, the reply I got was "lmfao, I don't keep track of my punishments".
To put it bluntly. Jerma silenced Hawka for a week for playing music which is not against the servers rules, forced Hawka to appeal and forced him to apologise and agree to server rules he never broke before un-silencing him.

https://www.skial.com/sourcebans/index.php?p=banlist&searchText=Billymays&Submit=
I don't know much about this situation but the unban reason, from permanent ban, speaks volumes about Jermas ability to admin, once again being too hasty, too harsh and too incompetent to actually detect hacks. Jerma issued an over the top punishment without thinking or being 100% certain, keeping a regular off the servers, once other staff verified the proof was insufficient, Jerma issued the unban with reason: "The others "think" he isn't cheating" - despite being told by a few staff, failure to admit fault.

As I said, I am not going to rip his bans and silences apart further, but I dread to think how many more there are.

It is at this point that I am quite... disgusted? to work with such a person who cannot take criticism, who handles cases so harshly and speaks to the community as a whole (players and staff alike) like shit, except for bottiger who he begs for more power from. Jermas only goal seems to be getting more power. I reitterate that to date, he has garnered the ranks of TF2 admin, Rust admin, forum mod (which no other TF2 admin has), asking for forum admin and begged until he got discord admin.

I know that this thread will likely not be responded to by staff as they would rather remain impartial, but I am sick of this being ignored and swept under the carpet. I have messaged Bottiger a few times with my concerns to be brushed off. I feel this my last resort to put my case forward and maybe get some external support for this.

Thank you for reading my life story :).

DISCLAIMER:
It's long.
There is no TL;DR.
I probably missed stuff. No, I definitely missed stuff.
 

RenZ

Face-Melting F2Per
Contributor
-1 Xantam, I acknowledge you put a lot of effort in this, I really do, but in the regards of the bans and appeals, we can leave most of that upto human error, everyone fucks up every now and again. As far as the rudeness, maybe he could work on his word choice, but this isn't an issue, being stern is a part of the job, you can't be careless, and very forgiving with the hackers.

Also Jerma has a life outside of TF2, maybe it took 7 days to process that appeal and 3 to notice it, but someone can't just exist on the forums waiting for appeals.

Although I cannot say for certain that he got discord admin from begging, because I am but a simple user, I saw you in another suggestion asking for admins to get powers in discord; although being a suggestion i support, looking at it now seems like a bit of a powergrab despite being "in power." I also feel after putting the pieces together seems like you did get a little pissed off after jerma got discord admin due to your past with him.


I am sorry xantam, but I'm gonna side with jerma on this.
 

Xantam

Server-Clearing Cynic
Contributor
-1 Xantam, I acknowledge you put a lot of effort in this, I really do, but in the regards of the bans and appeals, we can leave most of that upto human error, everyone fucks up every now and again. As far as the rudeness, maybe he could work on his word choice, but this isn't an issue, being stern is a part of the job, you can't be careless, and very forgiving with the hackers.

Also Jerma has a life outside of TF2, maybe it took 7 days to process that appeal and 3 to notice it, but someone can't just exist on the forums waiting for appeals.

Although I cannot say for certain that he got discord admin from begging, because I am but a simple user, I saw you in another suggestion asking for admins to get powers in discord; although being a suggestion i support, looking at it now seems like a bit of a powergrab despite being "in power."


I am sorry xantam, but I'm gonna side with jerma on this.
Thankfully you're the one in ten statistic, but an opinion I respect regardless, thanks for your feedback! :)
 

SIS

Uncharitable Spy
People must be aware that jermaphobe is a really toxic admin like i mean, the things that xantam said is pretty much true and everyone MUST be aware of this forum, it really gets on the bad side of jermaphobe but really jermaphobe was always a bad person IMO i mean for starters, my short lived fat spy saga wasnt really that popular but when i posted engies over cunts i just saw that pfp and went ''Oh boy what have i done now to awaken this monstrosity'' and Low and behold i come across the Shit post warning but if you managed to take down engies over cunts (fat spy 3), why not the others they are in the exa- oh its the title. Anyway like Jermaphobe act like a real admin instead of acting like an edgy kid and be professional about your replies. Just sort your shit out and just never be part of the skial admins team and a discord admin in general, just sort it out and leave the team
nomorejerma
Im with you xantam, im with you
 

Doom4life

Wicked Nasty Engineer
I don't think I'm active enough in this community for my vote to seriously count but I do agree with you @Xantam.

While you can still have fun as an admin, I like to think that you are held to a higher standard as you are basically an ambassador to the community. I've noticed a tone in replies specifically in Ban Appeals that seems to stick out but not in a good way. While I understand that a hacker will never be unbanned, there should still be a level of respect provided for all users unless attitude is given from the start. I think I've read at least 6+ years of ban appeals and this is the first time that tone has actually started to bother me.

Let's not forget the great status warning point gong show and the flip flops that occurred. I still disagree with warning everyone (but the first person got it retracted) and wished the thread would have been treated as a proper appeal, but again it seems like there was more questionable behavior based on some of the responses.
 

chairius✿

Wicked Nasty Engineer
FF2 Balancer
+1 I have had little to no interaction with Jermaphobe to my knowledge, but, considering the facts you have presented, I will agree with you until Jermaphobe presents their side of the story (if they do, that is.)
 

Gamer4605

Banned
-1 jerma handles 95% of reports, bottiger also posted this one time calling someone a troll and a child.
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Maddo

Gaben's Own Aimbot
Contributor
Jermas only goal seems to be getting more power
I have said for a long time that he is power hungry and trigger happy, I have also warned him that it will be his undoing.
I personally think he is a rude and arrogant individual that takes delight in using his position to enforce punitive actions simply to boost his ego.
Not liking someone however, doesn't mean they be should be removed from admin
This is a regular pattern with Jerma, he refuses to acknowledge when he is wrong, never truly apologises and gets very defensive about any time he is challenged.
https://www.skial.com/threads/my-appeal.85463/
It is decisions like this though that makes be believe he is unfit to be a moderator of the forums. I would imagine his ingame performance is no different.

Jerma's less of a PR disaster than I ever was. And if you don't believe me you can read my appeals.
Don't talk wet, you are incredibly skilled at tactical debate.
 

Truetiming

Sufficiently Lethal Scout
Contributor
I dont use the forums at all but i do have to give props for making a public statement regarding someone on your team with the intentions of the community and players first. Good job bud, rooting for you
 

Xantam

Server-Clearing Cynic
Contributor
-1 jerma handles 95% of reports, bottiger also posted this one time calling someone a troll and a child.
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Jerma handles 95% of reports because he's always there handling them. I have many times set them to investigating, which is the staffs way of "claiming" them, to be over-ridden by Jerma.
One example out of many
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I changed it from new > investigating
Jerma changes it from investigating to resolved, while I was claiming it.

This is speculation but I feel like Jerma sits there waiting for new reports to come in, we don't get a chance. Without jerma, reports would still get handled, maybe with a 5 minute delay as we don't sit there waiting.

Bottiger put one image up which was actually quite humorous - one time. Jermas behaviour is consistently there, for a year.
 
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herp 105.4

Rage-Inducing Forum Troll
Contributor
FF2 Balancer
+1 just because this means i can make more jerma memes (i member the spelling incident)
 

Dragontamer

TF2 Admin
Contributor
I'm aiming for a -1. If you can give me good evidence that he needs to be removed from admin, I'll maybe change my mind.
For your first point, just because Sir Trooper did not get mad when you banned him does not mean all players are like that. When I reported a lot of people here https://www.skial.com/threads/multiple-exploiting.84346/ before I became admin, they all started trash talking me on zombie escape and one of them even went on my profile. Not a lot of people will be fine with being muted at all. Yeah, sure, maybe Jerma can cut back on being an ass about it, but it still is not a really good reason. Fenix has done the same thing before, too, and there's literally a rule by Bottiger saying you can flame if they hacked or harmed skial, not that his behavior is a good example though.
We have these posts here where Jerma was quite abrasive or rude for no apparent reason;
For the Rust admin app, he did not come off as rude or abrasive as you say he was, he was pointing out what the player needed. He was only quoting his posts and one of Bottigers posts, as well as making one of his words bold to show the applicant where to go. He wasn't rude at all. It is not our job to apologize on the wait for admin apps, you're supposed to be patient for responses to it.
For this thread https://www.skial.com/threads/appeal-nightwing3000.85568/ all he really said was "I admire your attempt to change the story." because the person who appealed tried to make himself look like a victim. I did the same thing at this appeal https://www.skial.com/threads/appeal-yuuki.85249/ because the person appealing said I silenced them for no reason, and tried to report me for it, saying they had a "valid reason". You nor anyone else complained about it. Why when Jermaphobe does it, he's in the wrong apparently?
He's been active on the discord, Bottiger must've gave him the discord admin role a reason of his own. Plus, he did not ignore you, he explained that the other mods seemed busy the time. Maybe they were, maybe they weren't, but either way he can help deal with future situations. The "salt" emoji was added when someone posted it, and had asked to drop it. I don't know why you're trying to change what happened and claim it was his response to you.
Those hacking reports you've mentioned, those are mistakes and evidence I'd want to see as evidence. However, I don't think this warrants removal, Jerma could ask instead for other admins to review it first and then determine if they should be banned or not. We will always slip as an admin when it comes to punishments. But this is still good evidence.
The report on Hawka was also his fault. There's no excuse for that one. But playing music loudly regardless who it is to the point where it's earrape is against the rules. It counts as micspam, just letting you know.
He's also apologized for the inconvenience on that one week appeal.
Jerma handles 95% of reports because he's always there handling them. I have many times set them to investigating, which is the staffs way of "claiming" them, to be over-ridden by Jerma.
One example out of many
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I changed it from new > investigating
Jerma changes it from investigating to resolved, while I was claiming it.

This is speculation but I feel like Jerma sits there waiting for new reports to come in, we don't get a chance. Without jerma, reports would still get handled, maybe with a 5 minute delay as we don't sit there waiting.

Bottiger put one image up which was actually quite humorous - one time. Jermas behaviour is consistently there, for a year.
You say that we don't get chances at reports, but we do. I've seen lot's of reports just sitting in the discord until him or Feral handles it, because I can't do anything about it at the time. But I get a lot of chances to handle them, so I have no idea what you're talking about. These reports https://www.skial.com/threads/ball-of-floof-votemenu-abuse.85551/
https://www.skial.com/threads/highl...pamming-and-not-even-the-tasteful-kind.85618/ were left open for about a week. I didn't see you try to resolve them, so that statement is a little false.

Onto Dooms and Maddos posts. The whole "Warning point" thing with the n word status is pretty weird. It's just a warning, it doesn't matter. Do you want new players getting the same idea maddo and the others did? You didn't get banned or anything. It isn't worth the time and thinking whether we should give this use warnings or not. We just don't want people replicating this behavior in the future.

+1 Bringing this thread of Jermaphobe's abuse of power back.
https://www.skial.com/threads/appeal-madam-butterbean.84885/
He is incredibly unfit for service due to his massive ego getting in the way.
Again, he didn't abuse power. You brought all your friends and tried to make yourself look like the victim, even though you said the N word in a negative context. That's against the rules. I would be upset if the same thing happened to me. Plus, he even lowered your silence to three days, which he didn't have to do. This "evidence" doesn't show abusive power.

Regardless, I'm giving a -1 until I can see some more evidence. Some of the ones Xantam linked were good, but they don't warrant removal of his admin.
How I see it, Jerma just needs to stop being an ass as people see it, and make sure that hacking demos are reviewed by the team. The Hawka report as I said before is a accident. It happens.
If this gets any responses, I won't be too active until later to respond.
 
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herp 105.4

Rage-Inducing Forum Troll
Contributor
FF2 Balancer
Regardless, I'm giving a -1 until I can see some more evidence. Some of the ones Xantam linked were good, but they don't warrant removal of his admin.
How I see it, Jerma just needs to stop being an ass as people see it, and make sure that hacking demos are reviewed by the team. The Hawka report as I said before is a accident. It happens.
If this gets any responses, I won't be too active until later to respond.
think of the memes if he loses admin, the potential is great here
 

Xantam

Server-Clearing Cynic
Contributor
Some of the ones Xantam linked were good, but they don't warrant removal of his admin.
Same as Renz, I respect your opinion, even more so as a staff member who has the "pleasure" of working with Jerma and still being able to tolerate him.

I have now spoken to 8 staff, who all agreed with me, as opposed to the original 5 I spoke to when I made this thread. I have never spoken to you before so I didn't message you but I guess you're the first staff member to stick with Jerma.

So far it's 16-4 for removal. I am counting post-ratings amongst these.

Think about it another way.
We as representatives are here to serve the public, the players of Skial. Without players here, we'd have nothing, nobody to host for, no income to keep us afloat. Therefore logic would dictate we work with the players to better ourselves and our community to keep us flourishing. In this thread, staff and players have voiced concern and agreed on removal based on their experiences and issues they've had with Jerma, as well as just seeing what he is like as a person, as a staff member and as a player, which is toxic to be frank. If the community votes in a super-majority (which it currently is), would you not oblige to this, OR at least consider "wait hang on, there is a serious fucking issue here"