Video Guinness World Records officially lost all credibility
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I assumed it'd be scout or soldier since those two classes are usually the two that new players pick first imo
Shiny Charizard
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150 - 250 000 people killed, and only Hiroshima had an army garrison (the vast majority of the casultaties were civilians though), in the case of Nagasaki only innocent civilians were targeted. Explain what makes one a terrible thing and the other is completely fine to do?
Rvsz you couldn't be more wrong about Nagasaki, please read up on what that city was to war time production of weapons and ships. Learn your history first. Nearly every historian agrees the death toll from an invasion of Japan by the Allies would have result in 10 to 50 times more deaths than both the bombs combined. War is hell and these bombs were the results of that hell, good or bad these bomb saved lives for both sides and taught the world a valuable lesson in that we should never do again and the cost of using such weapons.
"The city of Nagasaki had been one of the largest sea ports in southern Japan and was of great wartime importance because of its wide-ranging industrial activity, including the production of ordnance, ships, military equipment, and other war materials. The four largest companies in the city were Mitsubishi Shipyards, Electrical Shipyards, Arms Plant, and Steel and Arms Works, which employed almost as 90% of the city's labor force."
This is from just one source, there are thousands of source as to why the 2 cities were chosen, Nagasaki was a 'alternative' target when the primary target was obscured by clouds and smoke.
"The city of Nagasaki had been one of the largest sea ports in southern Japan and was of great wartime importance because of its wide-ranging industrial activity, including the production of ordnance, ships, military equipment, and other war materials. The four largest companies in the city were Mitsubishi Shipyards, Electrical Shipyards, Arms Plant, and Steel and Arms Works, which employed almost as 90% of the city's labor force."
This is from just one source, there are thousands of source as to why the 2 cities were chosen, Nagasaki was a 'alternative' target when the primary target was obscured by clouds and smoke.
What about the precursor to 6th August?
It is relevant to note that from February 1945 leading up to the Hiroshima attack, US bombing of Japanese cities - notably Tokyo, Nagoya, Osaka and Kobe - by B-29s delivered about 100 kilotons of high explosives and incendiaries to urban areas in hundreds of raids, creating huge death and destruction. Some 100 000 people were killed in a single raid on Tokyo. About 80 square kilometers of those four cities was destroyed in ten days during March. Overall 67 Japanese cities were partly destroyed, 500 000 people were killed and 5 million more made homeless.
I don't think the two bombs dropped were used to specificaly target military forces, I think they were used as a way to end WWII, and deliver the KO blow, with it also being an ideal opportunity to field test these devices.
Technicaly these 2 bombings are not terrorism as they were deemed legal at the time because the countries were locked in a state of war, however, I think the people of Japan would disagree.
Well said Maddo
No country was innocent in WW2, all of them targeted civilians, in mass. Germany-maybe as many as 13 million civilians killed by Nazis. Japan- figures run from 6 million to 15 million civilians killed by Japanese forces, most in China. Russia-Maybe as many 15 to 22 million killed by Russian forces both in Russia and in Poland and Germany. America and Britain also targeted civilians but numbers killed were no where close to what those other 3 countries did. Faced with the reality of what Germany and Japan had done and were still doing, it is little wonder that the most possible extreme measures were taken to not only end the war but end the possibility of these two countries ever starting another war again.
Notes, journals, and documents all show that the decision to drop the bombs was not something they wanted to do but felt they had no choice to do. Faced with the fact that the enemy, the Japanese soldier, did not surrender but rather devoted pure loyalty to there leaders at a level of fanaticism never seen before on that scale, the allies feared any invasion would result in at least 500,000 to 1,000,000 casualties for the allies when they invaded Japan. Also fresh on everyone's mind was the Russian attack on Berlin, 450,000 Russian soldiers were wounded or killed in that battle to take Berlin, 1 city.
Ask any soldier in WW2 who faced the very real possibility of being part of that invasion of Japan and every one of them would say the 'bombs' saved their lives. The decision to drop the bombs was not a political decision, it was a moral decision, maybe the hardest choice any one person has ever had to make, kill hundreds of thousands of your enemy while sparing the lives of your soldiers, or take the very real risk of millions dieing in a battle to take all of Japan that would most certainly take months and cost millions of lives on both sides, with most of the lives lost being Japanese civilians pressed into service to fight the invaders.
Mostly though, you can not compare the acts in a Global world war to act in peace time by a small numbers people determined to execute there beliefs and will on others. The 'events' can not be compared to each other. A bad or immoral act is just that, no matter how you describe it or try and justify it, it is still wrong. The question we should be asking is can we learn from this? Can we do better? Yes we can, if we choose to. bad things happen, that's life, as long as their is free will there will always be bad people. Its how we react to those events and what we learn from them that define who and what we are. Less blame and finger pointing, more taking responsibility and making less excuses. You, the reader, have infinite potential to be great, this cannot be denied, only suppressed.
No country was innocent in WW2, all of them targeted civilians, in mass. Germany-maybe as many as 13 million civilians killed by Nazis. Japan- figures run from 6 million to 15 million civilians killed by Japanese forces, most in China. Russia-Maybe as many 15 to 22 million killed by Russian forces both in Russia and in Poland and Germany. America and Britain also targeted civilians but numbers killed were no where close to what those other 3 countries did. Faced with the reality of what Germany and Japan had done and were still doing, it is little wonder that the most possible extreme measures were taken to not only end the war but end the possibility of these two countries ever starting another war again.
Notes, journals, and documents all show that the decision to drop the bombs was not something they wanted to do but felt they had no choice to do. Faced with the fact that the enemy, the Japanese soldier, did not surrender but rather devoted pure loyalty to there leaders at a level of fanaticism never seen before on that scale, the allies feared any invasion would result in at least 500,000 to 1,000,000 casualties for the allies when they invaded Japan. Also fresh on everyone's mind was the Russian attack on Berlin, 450,000 Russian soldiers were wounded or killed in that battle to take Berlin, 1 city.
Ask any soldier in WW2 who faced the very real possibility of being part of that invasion of Japan and every one of them would say the 'bombs' saved their lives. The decision to drop the bombs was not a political decision, it was a moral decision, maybe the hardest choice any one person has ever had to make, kill hundreds of thousands of your enemy while sparing the lives of your soldiers, or take the very real risk of millions dieing in a battle to take all of Japan that would most certainly take months and cost millions of lives on both sides, with most of the lives lost being Japanese civilians pressed into service to fight the invaders.
Mostly though, you can not compare the acts in a Global world war to act in peace time by a small numbers people determined to execute there beliefs and will on others. The 'events' can not be compared to each other. A bad or immoral act is just that, no matter how you describe it or try and justify it, it is still wrong. The question we should be asking is can we learn from this? Can we do better? Yes we can, if we choose to. bad things happen, that's life, as long as their is free will there will always be bad people. Its how we react to those events and what we learn from them that define who and what we are. Less blame and finger pointing, more taking responsibility and making less excuses. You, the reader, have infinite potential to be great, this cannot be denied, only suppressed.