Invalid Appeal: Trash.ca

[Trash.ca]

Link to your ban or your com block:

https://www.skial.com/sourcebans/index.php?p=banlist&advType=steamid&advSearch=[U:1:142263365]​

Why should you be unbanned or unblocked?:

Got banned for aimbot, i dont cheat etc. Don't know what i can do to prove it that hasnt already been done. I use mouse accel if it matters, track at 100cm and flick at 40cm. Don't think a decision like this would be made without evidence and im assuming you have stats that back it up, i cant disprove that and my word doesnt mean much i guess.​

 

[Bottiger]

The detection method is private and is made to detect aimbots that would be impossible to spot with the human eye, thus any demos would be useless.

Levels we recorded were over 100x normal and does not change with skill level. Almost all cases where it that high has been on vacced accounts.

We've tried the mouse acceleration software with the same settings you said you used and it did not trigger any of our detections.

 

[Trash.ca]

Well i've got nothing i guess, can i get whitelisted on the minecraft server at least pls man i need to build a house on skial its my dream bro cmon pls my ign is samiennn and i have a nice gamer girl skin pls whitelist me bro. But seriously i dunno what to say about this, i dont think i have anyway of proving myself innocent. Any ideas?

 

[Trash.ca]

I've been playing around this level of skill since before the big lmaobox vacwave years ago, almost daily on skial since i first started tf2 with tons of videos with my pov and the fact that i do it in other games too. No offense, but is it possible that your methods had a false positive or something? If my levels were normal why'd there be a high ass 100x spike randomly? im not trying to get banned and if ive been playing here for years cheating undetected (hypothetically) why would i just mess up after 5 years with a big spike? My k/d isnt absurdly high and ive played with tons of regulars who know im legit.I have about 1600 hrs on your server since its the only damn community server that exists. I'd ask if you review your methods because theres something wrong going on. No offense or anything.

 

[selkies]

The detection method is private and is made to detect aimbots that would be impossible to spot with the human eye, thus any demos would be useless.

This is patently false.


[AS] Nacho Replay:

demos are almost a requirement for anti-cheat
POV demos store a lot of information in them its almost scary what you get mine out of them
so to say a POV demo is useless is not correct.
STV demos can get a bit buggy but still are an important thing to have on hand

This is a chat log from the owner and lead admin of [AS] MGE in response to your post. [AS] has the most popular NA MGE servers and are regularly frequented by high-level competitive players. I guarantee whatever rudimentary algorithm you use as a "detection system" is miles behind their anti-cheat. There's no such thing as an "aimbot that would be impossible to spot with the human eye." If you know what to look for, most aimbots can be detected by simply reducing the playback speed of a demo to 10-25%.

That being said, I reviewed a demo of Samien that was reported on the 2/8 with another head [AS] admin, which can be found at https://www.skial.com/threads/2fort-la-sam-aimbot.82548/#post-769375. Samien states that he regularly receives around 150 ms latency on 2FORT+ LA, but we found two shots in particular that we found suspicious. I'm not booting up TF2 to find exact ticks, but a slow-motion playback of the headshot on the DH Soldier on the bridge - around what I recall is tick 5000 - reveals a small snap to the Soldier's head, followed by an immediate return of Samien's reticle to where it was before the headshot registered. Soon after, there's a close-range headshot on a Heavy that wasn't even in his scope FOV. Everything else in the demo can feasibly be explained by high latency.

The [AS] admin I reviewed the demo with stated that he strongly believed Samien was cheating from the evidence found on that specific demo, but I can't say with certainty on whether or not he's using an aimbot without viewing other POV demos.

 

[Trash.ca]

Another thing is you dont know what my accel graph looks like nor do you know my mouse dpi all of which affect tracking at longer distances to an extent.Even if you did know all the settings of the driver i used im pretty sure you wont be nearly as good during testing because it can take a while to get used too. Cant post a pic of the accel graph atm but i can list the properties: power=2 post scale x & y =0.4 sens cap =2.5 accel =~0.22 everything else default. My dpi is 5000 and IN GAME sensitity =0.2
This effectively makes me track at around 100cm and flick at 40cm which is ACCURATE as hell.Accel caps out around 50 mouse updates at 1000hz mouse polling rate.
When im at my pc tonight i'll post a pic of the driver gui and a graph of the accel.
I use the povohat's mouse accel intercept driver.Test with this and then tell me what the logs are like.

Additionally you also said most of the accounts with a high value such as mine are vac'd,not all.You seem pretty confident in banning with those values but i personally find it hard to believe that you're more accurate than VAC (also terible).Seems like that works for blatant cheaters only,similar to VACnet.As far as we know you could be making all of this shit up (i dont believe you are) and i think you flat out lied when you said you tested the accel driver with my settings.

It just seems shady is all im saying.

 

[Bottiger]

We tested the settings you said you used. We even tried setting different values and nothing would trigger our systems. We would not ban someone who has played on the servers for such a long time without a good cause. Why would we carelessly remove players from our servers?

This is straight from you.

Even if you say you aren't using a cheat, you are using something that causes you to aim very unnaturally that other skilled players on our server like Soo do not trigger. 4 out of 5 of the accounts that reach values such as yours either are vacced, eventually get vacced, or look like this http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197990930289

As to why would you only be detected now when you've haven't been for all these years? It has happened to other people before like genocide for example. Maybe they accidentally hit rage hack? Maybe they switched to a new hack? Sometimes people slip up after such a long time.

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I guarantee whatever rudimentary algorithm you use as a "detection system" is miles behind their anti-cheat. There's no such thing as an "aimbot that would be impossible to spot with the human eye." If you know what to look for, most aimbots can be detected by simply reducing the playback speed of a demo to 10-25%.

And how exactly can you "guarantee" this? Because you are a programming and cheat expert that thinks DWORD is an important programming concept when you just use pub hacks like lithium? Haha.

If you don't think there are aimbots that are impossible to spot with the human eye, you have done very little research on the matter. People have made it to pro scenes by aimbotting all the way.

The [AS] admin I reviewed the demo with stated that he strongly believed Samien was cheating from the evidence found on that specific demo, but I can't say with certainty on whether or not he's using an aimbot without viewing other POV demos.

That's nice that he confirms what our system told us. But a human giving out his own opinion is always going to subject to doubt.

It is also really funny to me when I see you posting at 5 AM your local time and talk about being a "grown man" mad about something related to TF2. What about being so mad about getting banned for cheating that you are still here 1 year later, making troll posts from 1-7 am?

 

[Trash.ca]

Alright forget about tf2, here's some clips of me doing equally insane shots but in different games.

The pornhub flick (100x faster than your average fapper,i consider binds cheating) :

Spoiler

The creeper flick (green piece of shit didnt know what hit him):

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Deagle flick 1:

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Scout flix:

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Awp fragz:

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Awp fliccc:

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deeg fliccc 2:

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As you can see my 100x better than average aim transfers over to other applications. I have yet been banned from pornhub for setting off their private anti-cheat methods that stops you from jerking it too fast and inhuman like nor have i set off their closing tab cheat checker.

Clearly they need to step up their methods to cement them as the #1 adult site such as skial being the #1 tf2 community. Perhaps teach them how to do it good sir? I hate having to go up against computer assisted masturbaters.

 

[Trash.ca]

Also the accel settings you posted are outdated and they dont mean anything unless you know my in game sens + mouse dpi.
Here's what im currently using:

Also i recorded a hand cam video (yes im a street shitter (FROM THE CARIBBEAN MIND YOU) and yes i need to clean my mousepad)

 

[Bottiger]

As I said before we tried different settings from that software and did not trigger our detections.

We also had US admins play on EU servers to simulate lag. The detection also has nothing to do with performance stats like KD. None of the other skilled players on our servers triggered the detections.

 

[Trash.ca]

Accel is a pretty subjective thing, even with the same settings you wont have the same aim regardless of skill level. People have different aiming habits. This is the same for people without accel too. There's a different learning curve involved when learning to aim with accel as well. Just having the driver on alone wont trigger a detection, its how its used.

Anyway what if i record my pc before it boots up, scroll through task manager then play tf2 and scroll through task manager again after. If you want i'll try to play windowed as well with the desktop visible. Problem is whatever i do wont matter because no other server has your detection so we'll never know if i can trigger it consistently on cam with task manager checked.

Alternatively, fly me to your house and i'll play in front of you.
Whatever i do from here on out wont matter because you'll just say "accel doesnt trigger it on my server" and i have no way of testing that or proving you wrong.

Whitelist me on the minecraft server though.

 

[Bottiger]

The detection has nothing to do with skill. It does not care about your accuracy or kd. There's nothing subjective about it, we record hard numbers so there is no reliance on 1 person's opinion.

We have tried all kinds of settings on that software including the highest and lowest sensitivity/accel possible, so the exact settings do not matter.

You can give us whatever 3rd party software and configuration you are using to see if we can trigger detection ourselves, but as I said, we did a very complete job at investigating every single possibility of getting a false positive.

 

[Trash.ca]

Has the values always been that high or was it a more recent thing? i dont think ive changed settings drastically over the last few weeks and i assume you dont have values from like a year ago before i started using accel 100% ? From what you say that accuracy and k/d dont matter and the only thing fucking up the values are accel (assuming im not on hacks) so i guess your methods check for aim assistance regarding mouse inputs or something and angles. Only thing i can think of really is that i used markC mouse fix for windows 8.1 64 bit a while ago but i reset my OS however its still possible the registry didnt reset properly and the markc fix is still active? i dunno. Its a thing that edits registry to completely remove windows acceleration (not the accel driver im on).

Maybe do some tests with markc active as well as accel?

 

[Trash.ca]

Also, assuming your system checks for angles ( i mean what else can it do at a server level if you say k/d and accuracy dont matter), DPI plays a big role at tracking at lower FOVs (aka sniper scope). I use a high DPI of 5000 because it makes accel scale more consistently and it has the added bonus of tracking smoothly and more accurately at lower fovs which could also play a role in your angle checker or whatever. Another thing, you said 4/5 get vac'd with my numbers. Thats a sample size of whopping 5 with an error of 20%. If you're using this data alone to base your system upon and place manual bans, then your methods have no integrity.

Skip to 2:26 for a low vs high dpi at longer ranges.

 

[Bottiger]

Also, assuming your system checks for angles ( i mean what else can it do at a server level if you say k/d and accuracy dont matter), DPI plays a big role at tracking at lower FOVs (aka sniper scope). I use a high DPI of 5000 because it makes accel scale more consistently and it has the added bonus of tracking smoothly and more accurately at lower fovs which could also play a role in your angle checker or whatever. Another thing, you said 4/5 get vac'd with my numbers. Thats a sample size of whopping 5 with an error of 20%. If you're using this data alone to base your system upon and place manual bans, then your methods have no integrity.

I can't really tell you the details of our detection method, but I will tell you that we've tested everything you said, and they don't trigger the detection.

When I say 4 out of 5, that's a rough estimate with levels measured far below yours, and the few that don't have obvious hack names like this http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197990930289 have private accounts or vacced in the past or banned in other communities.

The bottom line is that you are the 1 "skilled player" out of the thousands of people that play on our servers every single day that triggered this detection. None of the other skilled players on our servers have come anywhere close to readings such as yours and they even have better accuracy, kd, and kpm.