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Invalid Appeal: Ep1tapH

Discussion in 'Ban Appeals' started by Ep1tapH, Apr 13, 2021.

  1. Ep1tapH

    Ep1tapH Unremarkable User

    Link to your ban or your com block:
    Why should you be unbanned or unblocked?:
    1) Nothing I said constitutes as "shilling for lordm" or whatever I was muted for. As far as I recall, all I did was mention Lordm a few times, and most of the time I didn't even bring him up, I was just responding to what someone else was saying. Admittedly I did shit-talk Bottiger and the server itself a few times, but that had nothing to with Lordm, it was entirely me voicing my own personal grievances. Is that not allowed?

    2) I was never given any sort of warning or even a temp mute before being immediately perma muted. As far as I knew, everything I was saying was 100% ok. I don't see how that is fair at all.

    3) My mute applies across ALL skial servers, despite my "offenses" being entirely localized to the ZE server. I don't even really care about the ZE server anymore, it's been dead to me for a long time now and I barely play it, I just want to be able to talk on other skial servers that I might play on.

    You want me to keep my mouth shut? Fine by me, I won't talk about whatever it was that got me muted anymore, but just please consider removing my mute or at least reducing it to a temp mute.



    Oh and inb4 le :Dumb: spam.​
     
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  2. Jermaphobe

    Jermaphobe Moderator Contributor Legendary Mapper

    lol no
     
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  3. Ep1tapH

    Ep1tapH Unremarkable User

    epic response





    you're irrelevant btw, I only give a shit what bottiger has to say.
     
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  4. Biggie

    Biggie Forum Admin Contributor

    Steam:
    Not getting unmuted.
     
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  5. Bottiger

    Bottiger Administrator

    Steam:
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  6. Ep1tapH

    Ep1tapH Unremarkable User


    I haven't played TF2 itself for a while now, I've only just now started playing it more. And yes it's true I mostly played the ZE server, but I used to spend a good amount of time on the Harvest x10 randomizer server and I played a few VSH servers from time to time. I didn't play other skial servers back then because I used to have a bad PC and would get low FPS on them, but now I don't, and with the bot crisis still going on there aren't many options for community servers to play on.

    And no, I didn't just tell people that "everything sucked", and I never once told people to leave the server, I talked a lot on mic on would try to lead maps. I admit, maybe some of the shit I said in chat was dumb, and mostly said out of frustration. If you don't want to unmute me then fine, but if you do I won't bring up any of this shit again.
     
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  7. Bottiger

    Bottiger Administrator

    Steam:
    Please stop trying to lie about everything like this and now changing your argument to "people only sided with lordm because I banned people for no reason".

    ZOMBIE ESCAPE | US ███ 03/30/2021 - 02:57:49 PM EpitapH if you want the real mako play it on css or csgo
    ZOMBIE ESCAPE | US ███ 03/30/2021 - 02:57:34 PM EpitapH its a great map but its shit in tf2 lol
    ZOMBIE ESCAPE | US ███ 03/30/2021 - 02:57:13 PM EpitapH lolno mako on tf2 is a fucking abomination
    ZOMBIE ESCAPE | US ███ 03/30/2021 - 03:20:50 PM EpitapH im just warning you, bottiger almost killed this server and its community because of his refusal to listen to the community

    And this is just the logs that are still there, you obviously said more shit like this.
     
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  8. Ep1tapH

    Ep1tapH Unremarkable User

    So 3 of those only have to do with a single map, and they aren't even directed at your server or the port of the map, I was just expressing my opinion that the map doesn't work in TF2 and is best experienced in the game it was made for. I wasn't trying to get people to leave the server so sorry if it came off that way.

    As for the fourth quote, that's just my opinion, it really doesn't even have to do with LordM specifically. But again, if you don't want me saying that on the server, then fine, I won't.

    >"people only sided with lordm because I banned people for no reason".

    Well it's a bit deeper than that but this has pretty much always been my position on the whole issue, I'm not sure what you mean about me "changing my argument". Sure there were other factors, but that was always the most important one. But I'm not really here to argue that right now, I'm here to appeal my mute.
     
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  9. Bottiger

    Bottiger Administrator

    Steam:
    Don't play dumb. Everyone knows that we are the only server on tf2 with that map. And this wasn't your first time making comments like this. We saw you do this every time you connected to our servers once a month for several months.

    We never banned anyone for no reason. We were extremely lenient, letting your toxic group of friends continually tell every player that lordm did all the work and the only updates that came from me or jermaphobe was bad for many months.

    It was only after they started a server, started spamming everyone to leave the server, and spamming the nomination menu that they were perma-muted. Then when they started pming people to leave the server and doxing us, they got banned.

    You saw your friends get banned and muted a year ago for doing this and you think you didn't get any warnings? You are either acting or just plain stupid.
     
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  10. Ep1tapH

    Ep1tapH Unremarkable User

    And why is that relevant? I'm being 100% truthful here, what I said wasn't intended to be an attack on the server or your port of the map, it was entirely me expressing my opinion on the map itself. I would've said the same thing if it was on Otaku or any other server. I genuinely wasn't trying to be malicious with those comments; maybe I attacked some of your ports specifically in the past, I don't really remember, but this was not one of those instances.

    I'm sorry but you have to be absolutely delusional to think anything you've done in the handling of this situation is "lenient". There is not a SINGLE steam community on the planet that hands out punishments as draconian and arbitrary as yours. I could go on GFL CS:GO ZE, (the most successful and popular CSGO community server, mind you) and talk shit about the server and its management all day and not receive anything more than a warning, if that, and what you actually started muting people for was much less severe than that example.

    Nobody ever said this, this entire line of argument is a complete strawman and always has been. Pretty much everybody in the community who was involved in the drama knew that LordM didn't even have access to the source code for the server plugins and only contributed to the development of the server by editing and porting maps, and he himself told us multiple times. Were there a few smoothbrains who thought LordM really did do all the work? Sure, but there's a reason for that, which I'll get into later.

    Admittedly, most of this was just tribalist shittalking that didn't need to be said, but at that time there were a lot of genuinely broken and rushed updates to both maps and the server that you guys were pushing out, and there was legitimate criticism to be made of that.

    This is completely untrue, you IMMEDIATLY started permamuting players the very day that this drama began, namely Bjornstrongheart, DukeOfJuice, Feebly, Demobanana, and I believe a few others. And if I recall correctly, the official reason you gave was for the mutes was "advertising"...for posting links to a discord server that had been the unofficial home of the community for months at that point.

    Can you point to any instances of this happening? I never did this, and I don't know of anyone who did other than maybe LordM himself. And again, this was AFTER the initial mutings that made people so angry in the first place.

    This was a hoax dude, from what I recall this claim originated from an off color joke that LordM made (I may even still be able to find the screenshot of it somewhere) that was then taken out of context by one of your lackeys and used as an excuse to permaban him well after the fact. If you can present any actual evidence of LordM or anyone else attempting to dox you/your admins, I'd love to see it.

    Sure, maybe I was playing with fire considering what I already knew but consider this: I had been coming on the server for months, saying more or less the same shit without receiving any punishment whatsoever. Would it not be reasonable, then, for me to assume that what I was saying was within the boundaries of your new rules? And again, I was never issued an actual formal warning or temp mute from you or other server admins, something that literally every other online gaming community would have done in that situation.


    At this point, it's clear to me that you've never really understood why any of this happened or what our actual motives were. That's fine, but I'm going to try to explain it to you so maybe you can understand where we were coming from, and maybe consider loosening your iron fist. I'm not trying to be deceitful, I'm not trying to push an agenda or anything, I'm just trying to tell it as it is. The following is just my recollections of the situation, so feel free to correct me if I get anything wrong.
     
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  11. Ep1tapH

    Ep1tapH Unremarkable User

    Ignore this bit, this was a mistake.
     
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  12. Bottiger

    Bottiger Administrator

    Steam:
    This is such a waste of time having to disprove every single argument you've made so you make a dozen new ones or excuses.

    Why don't you try spamming in their server that it sucks and to go join lordm's server all day and see how long you last?

    "draconian and arbitrary" :lol:

    Nope, this is a blatant lie just like you were lying about not telling people to leave the server and flat out proven wrong.

    An example here of feebly not denying he was telling people to leave the server:

    https://www.skial.com/threads/appeal-feebly.87514/#post-793897
     
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  13. Ep1tapH

    Ep1tapH Unremarkable User

    Except you're not disproving my arguments, you're ignoring 70% of what I'm saying and cherrypicking only the bits of it that you can use to spin a narrative. It's getting pretty frustrating, tbh.


    There are literally people who do this lol, I know guy one who for basically the past 2 years has constantly shittalked the admins and server managers on GFL CSGO and he has never been muted or banned for it. And again, as I have tried to explain to you ad nauseum, even if he were to be muted for that, he would be given either a formal warning or a temp mute from an admin. You would never be instantly permamuted for something this, you would receive a series of progressive mutes over a period of months. It is simply


    What the hell are you even trying to argue here? Literally just fucking look at the date of his appeal; June 16th, only two days after the boycott and LordM's demotion and muting. You muted him and others on the same day that you muted LordM, I don't even understand how you're attempting to deny this, there is ample evidence of it happening. And I personally never ONCE PMed anyone on the server directly telling them to leave, I didn't lie about that. I know for sure LordM did, and I don't know whether or not other people did.

    And Feebly never admitted to telling people to leave the server in that appeal either. And what you didn't know is that Feebly was just trying to get unmuted so he could play normally on the server and he didn't care what he had to say to you in order to get unmuted. What you didn't realize is that Feebly continued talking to us and LordM after you overturned his ban, and played on his server frequently.
     
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  14. Jermaphobe

    Jermaphobe Moderator Contributor Legendary Mapper

    You're not getting unmuted, deal with it
     
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  15. Bottiger

    Bottiger Administrator

    Steam:
    Except I disapproved every single one that I addressed.

    And it takes 10 seconds for you to make a blatant lie while it takes me 20 minutes to dig out the evidence for something that happened a year ago.

    That's why I'm not responding to every single excuse you make.

    Show us please, and also did he keep telling people to join his server? No?

    Uhhhh what? So if I muted them on the same day I muted LordM, they can't possibly have done anything wrong?

    What's with that logic?
     
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