Skial

Snipers just sit in the back and absorb all the damage while hale attempts to combat the pyros and the medics.
Too much free space for scouts to run, making them difficult to fight as hale.

Under the main arena is a stupid as well, the ramps are a stupid obstacle and the cart with the pickups makes it to where engineers can set up almost immidiently.

The secret room can be used to make unavoidable telefrags and spys can camp there and do literally nothing
Afk hales also take too long to kill, given that spys don't go up there and finish him off.

These are all the reasons that the map was removed. And, so what if the others weren't regulars? they have obviously played the map. And playing the map once just shows you how bullshit it is.

(sorry I posted so much, i just really wanted to back up some of this.)

Those are all reasons why the map is _GOOD_! It makes for more skillful/bad hales.
And creeper, you're not important because you're a dick and there's like two people that like you on there. I didn't want to say shit like that outside of unmod, but tldr you don't have any friends get out

And Shoe, to bring up the last point, a regular would play on the map enough to understand the flaws and upsides of the map. If they play it once and don't like it, their opinion doesn't mean as much as a veteran.
...and I thought you liked weapons lmfao

a few follow up things. A see in now way how any of those are good things that compliment the map.

And, What the hell is up with all your uneeded hostility towards creeper? He is less jerky than me, and if you think he has like no friends on that server, you're sadly mistaken. And, a few times through the map shows people how terrible it is. Especially since the exploits are done so, so often.

Exploits? A good hale knows how to prevent that kind of shit.

...creeper's always just... annoyed me. passively.

Random insults towards me, makes you look like a major ass, and the map was just bad, the only good thing about it was sniping and even that wasn't very good. :)

Gentlemen we can be more discrete about this. Rehn, we are sorry that we had your favorite map removed, but it was just too troublesome and overplayed. Ever since we did, though, we've been playing on a lot of other maps, our player count has gone up, and we don't get rule issues. You don't have to kick at each other.

It just wasn't your favourite map, I understand. And I hope I look like an ass, I don't really like you if you haven't figured it out. Scouts had a lot of space and soldiers had a great time rocket jumping. Snipers had good spots to snipe and engies had good places to set up. Just because a map isn't good for hale doesn't mean it should be removed, if that's how that works then get rid of a lot of the other maps.

We're trying to get new maps anyway. http://www.skial.com/threads/skial-vsh-new-maps-submissions.47038/ There are plenty of other maps anyway

and 'a good hale' doesn't side with some of the new players, who haven't played this mod before. Most of the time the hale cannot even find the secret room, causing the round to end in a stalemate. The point also takes 10 fucking minutes to cap, which makes it hardly even an option.

why is this still a debate anyway? obviously more people wanted it gone then didn't.

Even if he has annoyed you, no need to act apon it. You constantly rag on him for how he plays his classes, and counter everything he says with some kind of smartassy, rude remark.

That kind of stuff motivates people to get better.

But shoe, what I'm trying to say is the wrong people wanted it gone. Two-three odd regulars for and one regular against isn't really good odds. You guys should have waited a bit longer to fully REMOVE it.

I can tell that you don't like me, when you are in the same server as me all you do is randomly say over and over "Your bad cr33p3r." and I really don't know why I did nothing to you. And defib is right im just going to stop commenting on here, good night

I do. And? It doesn't really concern you now, does it?
He annoys me. That's what I do to people that annoy me. If he had stayed out of my profile and not commented on my shit, I wouldn't have said it. Simple as that.

If you constantly call out somebody just because you particuarly don't like them. You're one of the worst types of people.

Dr. Shoe, if you would please, go to sleep and let this no longer issue us.

He's also angered me _by_ the way he plays. He's constantly friendly and doesn't do shit but acts high and mightly like he's a fucking god.
If I am, stay the fuck off my profile. I like you shoe, and I won't hate you for being his friend, but still. I think I have a right to dislike people.

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