RCG_she

Mildly Menacing Medic
Obviously whoever is adding maps doesen't play not one person asked for this map and countless other maps have been recommended but declined every time. Not one person ive asked on the server likes this new map.
a perfect map for this server would be surf_ Halloween because 50% of the server doesn't know how to surf and likes to just play for combat. On halloween once a player leaves spawn they're already in the jail but theres an entrance to a skill surf portion. this map is the opposite of outdated and is aesthetically pleasing.
yall should check it out before immediately denying another post. also the creator of this map has made other surf maps before and is a quality mapper. but yeah remove ski and replace it with this

https ://gamebanana. com/maps/169758
 

surfing cyanide

Somewhat Threatening Sniper
Haven't been on surf lately but that sounds awful. Here's some backstory as to how this may have happened:

I know that ski is a popular combat surf map on csgo and css, (even cs 1.6) where combat surf is played as a team deathmatch with no respawns (most servers, some have respawn but you get the picture). Combat surf gameplay there is radically different then what it's like on tf2 (Here on tf2 its always instant respawn)

In cs, its basically midair awp fighting in small arenas. The arenas are small so people find each other, reduce delays, and keep the action going, since it is a no respawn deathmatch. The scale of the matches are a lot smaller also. The server may have 32 slots but I have never been on a combat server in either of the mentioned cs games with more than 15 players.
Small and simple maps like the original greatriver and ski fit this gameplay well.

However, this does not translate well into tf2, where the weapons and fighting styles are not just awp and shotgun fights on ramps and in the air. With instant respawn, there is no need to force everyone in such a small space to keep things going.
Tf2 surf maps usually have larger scale arenas, or jails, which support the silly instant respawn deathmatch gameplay a lot better, with a separate, large surf course (or in the case of air arena, just a much larger area to play in, with many more ramps and possible pathways to choose).
Maps like utopia, rainbow, halofuse, and larger arena maps like air arena are some examples. These maps would be way too big for cs style combat surf. You can imagine how long rounds would drag out while dead players have to wait.


Anyways, the map's popularity in counter strike is probably why it got added here. The owner only looks at map player counts across all servers to determine which maps are worth adding (according to him, personally I would see a LOT more added t the surf server but since thats not happening...) however he makes a number of assumptions while doing so. This is not the first case of a map being added which conflicts with the fundamentals of tf2 combat surf (surf_mesa lmao) because the context of the map's "popularity" was not taken into account, only the numbers. Another thing I notice is that skial is in the map name, meaning that bottiger himself (or someone else mapping for skial) ported the map from cs to tf2. This is probably because there was no tf2 version of this map available, which was for a good reason. It does not fit tf2's style of combat surf.

Anyways, here's some random low quality video with questionable edits I found playing a very similar version of the map. The only differences between this one and nova_x are ramp smoothening and big fixes, or minor tweaks. For anyone who plays tf2 combat surf, you can see the gameplay differences immediately. This is meant to show the contrast between how combat surf is played in cs compared to tf2.



whoever is adding maps doesen't play not one person asked for this map
Correct.

Not to mention the map he posted is almost 10 years old and has never been updated.
The version he posted is old. There is a surf_haloween_v3. So yes, the map has been updated. Don't have a link though, as that version was not uploaded to gamebanana since I think it was made for a specific server or something (don't quote me on that).

Man's just upset with current state of surf and venting, can't say I've never done that myself ;).
No need to be rude to him though, even if he didn't word his suggestion in the most pleasant way, the request is not without merit. Cut him some slack, at least you get to play around with more than 13 maps (where you might dislike a good portion of) on VSH and Deathrun (and yes, I joined the surf server to check the map count, and this includes ski).

Hell, when custom game mode channels were added to the Skial discord, guess which gamemode got left out.
 
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FrozenFirebug

Mildly Menacing Medic
map sucks and has terrible interaction with the collision mechanic but it isn't even the worst thing added today

>7 second spawn shield
>marking people for death when they do good even outside of the new mannpower gimmick map
>making it impossible to change teams or go spectator for some god forsaken reason

really just don't know what's going through the heads of the people running the place lately, none of this makes for a fun experience
 

Chermoil

Mildly Menacing Medic
Yeah its almost like a bad joke. There has been Map suggestion after map suggestion and 95% of them are denied, with the logic of "We must be carfull with maps in our rotation as people may vote them in and ultimately reduce our player base if they arent enjoyed" yet they add a map that is almost comically bad after NOBODY requested it. Like comon.

The jail is a 4x4 square with no obstacles at all.

There is no surf, its just an arena. This wouldn't necessarily be bad but the amount of ground where you can stand and fight is very limited.

There is 0 reward to this map. 0 enjoyment in the surf and the jail offers nothing. This is all instantly clear if you play the map for about a minute.
 
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Delays

Spectacularly Lethal Soldier
+1 As surfing cyanide said, map isn't even designed for tf2, not sure why it was ported...

Also +1 to surf halloween
 

RCG_she

Mildly Menacing Medic
Not to mention the map he posted is almost 10 years old and has never been updated.
Have you ever surfed it though? its 100% better than ski that's for sure and its not outdated in todays maps. play surf_halofuse, play surf_crater, and then go play surf_halloween, its not much different
 

FrozenFirebug

Mildly Menacing Medic
sorry to hijack the thread further with complaints about horrible changes shipped with this map but i was shocked to find that wasn't even the end of it

>demoman's charge now takes 30 seconds to recharge instead of 12
>mini crits now only give a 4% damage boost instead of a 35% damage boost, completely breaking the core functionality of some weapons

literally what the fuck dude
 

RCG_she

Mildly Menacing Medic
sorry to hijack the thread further with complaints about horrible changes shipped with this map but i was shocked to find that wasn't even the end of it

>demoman's charge now takes 30 seconds to recharge instead of 12
>mini crits now only give a 4% damage boost instead of a 35% damage boost, completely breaking the core functionality of some weapons

literally what the fuck dude
Didnt even notice this lmaoooooo, i dont understand what this guy is trying to do with the server
 

RCG_she

Mildly Menacing Medic
I just played ski for like the first time and its literally broken. 90% of the time when you go to jail u spawn inside of someone making the jail useless. did anyone even test this before they added it?
 

Trillium

Legendary Skial King
Contributor
yeah no your wrong, when you spawn in jail your stuck in someone most of the time. you just sit on the skial forums talking shit. your 100% 300 pounds and in ur mid 20's lmao joined in 2015 and still going. go outside bruh.
 

Trillium

Legendary Skial King
Contributor
-1 just on your attitude, I don't think Bottiger should waste his time to appease you when you're acting like a clown