Xantam

Server-Clearing Cynic
Contributor
I have made many threads on this topic but Bottiger sees fit to keep us at the same unpaid level as players.

I have been playing most of today as I am COVID positive and no longer symptomatic I have a lot of time today after being bedridden for 8 days (literally). On my return to my favourite game, I am hit with something that has always been a problem to me.

I refuse to donate anymore to Skial because I have tried to improve this place but Bottiger refuses to listen to anything unless your name is Jermaphobe. So I simply stopped donating, but I still put my free time in to this place administrating, handling admin apps, player reports and ban appeals as often as I see them pop up. I don't have as much free time as other admins here, but I still claim what I can when I can.

One little thing I ask which is breaking my game recently, isn't to pay us volunteers, that'd be impossible and frankly I wouldn't want it. But, give us autobalance immunity. You've rejected this before citing that we have !swap, which instantly swaps us teams. However, this is becoming a regular theme in my game play. I used to use /swap, but it doesn't record them in chatlogs, so now I will use !swap so we have a record on how often my game play is being affected by autobalance.

Today ALONE
2FORT+ | EU █████ 02/20/2021 - 09:39:25 PM Xantam ☭ !swap
2FORT+ | EU █████ 02/20/2021 - 09:38:15 PM Xantam ☭ [Team] !swap
2FORT+ | EU █████ 02/20/2021 - 09:36:57 PM Xantam ☭ !swap
2FORT+ | EU █████ 02/20/2021 - 09:35:34 PM Xantam ☭ !swap
2FORT+ | EU █████ 02/20/2021 - 09:33:41 PM Xantam ☭ !swap
2FORT+ | EU █████ 02/20/2021 - 09:32:02 PM Xantam ☭ !swap
2FORT+ | EU █████ 02/20/2021 - 09:31:08 PM Xantam ☭ !swap
2FORT+ | EU █████ 02/20/2021 - 09:29:33 PM Xantam ☭ !swap
2FORT+ | EU █████ 02/20/2021 - 09:28:04 PM Xantam ☭ !swap
2FORT+ | EU █████ 02/20/2021 - 09:24:39 PM Xantam ☭ !swap
2FORT+ | EU █████ 02/20/2021 - 09:23:22 PM Xantam ☭ !swap

I have now given up trying to play as I cannot play on my team with my regulars.

Now you might ask, why am I placing my self above players who are also being balanced? Well, I am not. I am simply asking for one little thing as a sort of payment for what I do for Skial and what I continue to do for Skial.

I main engineer, meaning I build my nest usually in the sewers (I am a sewer rat, you got me!). It's unreasonable and not feasible to expect me, and others who are the same, to play knowing we'll just get balanced.

I know you'll reject this, but please give me a reason why before you do.

IF.player-name="Xantam"
autobalance=true
interval=30second
 

Blade D_Hero

Moderator
Contributor
Honestly don’t care since it’s never been an issue, but it would also be cool to not have to be autobalanced.

For that reason I’m in
 

Xantam

Server-Clearing Cynic
Contributor
-1 Admins only resposibility is to handle reports, each and every one of them volunteered and took on the role, knowing the only perk is that they get to join full servers.
You know as well as I do, that you could handle just one report a month and it would still keep you admin.
Additionaly, the fact that you choose not to donate anymore, that by your own admission is because you are pissed at Bottiger, and you just want to always play on the red team is not a good enough reason in my eyes.

A respectable opinion but quite archaic. Things can change and evolve. While yes, we know what we signed up for, it really doesn't hurt to ask for one tiny little perk. I'd happily lose every other perk and get this one, it's not about trying to get everything, it is about having one thing as a "thank you". And if Bottiger rejects this, it really would be like a kick in the face.
And yes, I am a very honest man, it's why I get into trouble a lot. I wasn't going to make a suggestion without depicting the exact reasons behind it, that'd be dishonest. There is a reason I don't donate anymore, and I listed them. I have no ulterior motives, I just feel that we should have this tiny little benefit.

I would prefer to be able to say we aren’t getting special privileges in exchange for volunteering our time tbh. Not that the fact has ever gotten us much goodwill from r/tf2 or elsewhere.
That's fine, I'm trying to remember the last time you volunteered ;)
jks
 

Maddo

Gaben's Own Aimbot
Contributor
A respectable opinion but quite archaic
I don't understand how my opinion is archaic?

The reason you get autobalanced so much, is because your'e low scoring on your team, probably because you're sitting turtling in the sewer...
Why should someone else who is more productive in the team be swapped instead of you? Your saying they should be swapped because you're an admin.
You can also get autobalance immunity through store credits.

it really doesn't hurt to ask for one tiny little perk

 

Bottiger

Administrator
Admins already get a lot of benefits that donators don't have. They also get free reserved slots.

They don't get everything to prevent people from just becoming admin for free donator and then doing nothing.

Having many people bypass the autobalance also hurts the server.
 

Xantam

Server-Clearing Cynic
Contributor
Admins already get a lot of benefits that donators don't have. They also get free reserved slots.

They don't get everything to prevent people from just becoming admin for free donator and then doing nothing.

Having many people bypass the autobalance also hurts the server.
Can you list what we have?

Having the ability to join a server is for admin duties, answering reports.

Also if you managed your staff instead of letting them sit there doing nothing, we wouldn't have that issue, but you've ignored both mine and Jermas attempts to sort that issue, so therefore this isn't an issue.

Having less than 20 staff across a million servers does not hurt the server. Just class staff as donors, we put our time in to help you manage your servers, less than 20 of us who actually still play. It does not hurt at all.

Please list everything we have and stop with the arbitrary decision making.
 
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uppe-r

Rage-Inducing Forum Troll
Contributor
Can you list what we have?

Having the ability to join a server is for admin duties, answering reports.

Also if you managed your staff instead of letting them sit there doing nothing, we wouldn't have that issue, but you've ignored both mine and Jermas attempts to sort that issue, so therefore this isn't an issue.

Having less than 20 staff across a million servers does not hurt the server. Just class staff as donors, we put our time in to help you manage your servers, less than 20 of us who actually still play. It does not hurt at all.

Please list everything we have and stop with the arbitrary decision making.

+1 on everything xantam said, even when I was more active here you just ignored every suggestion pretty much
you owe your admins that help you get players to stay on the servers

also still love u xantam bby
u too jerma dont worry dont be jealous also if u remove this im coming after u
 

Maddo

Gaben's Own Aimbot
Contributor
Can you list what we have?

Having the ability to join a server is for admin duties, answering reports.

Also if you managed your staff instead of letting them sit there doing nothing, we wouldn't have that issue, but you've ignored both mine and Jermas attempts to sort that issue, so therefore this isn't an issue.

Having less than 20 staff across a million servers does not hurt the server. Just class staff as donors, we put our time in to help you manage your servers, less than 20 of us who actually still play. It does not hurt at all.

Please list everything we have and stop with the arbitrary decision making.
Why are you admin? ask your self that question and you will see why you don't get paid. You will also see why getting perks for being an admin can have a negative impact in the recruitment of new admin.
Also call yourself what you are, volunteers, not staff.
 

uppe-r

Rage-Inducing Forum Troll
Contributor
Why are you admin? ask your self that question and you will see why you don't get paid. You will also see why getting perks for being an admin can have a negative impact in the recruitment of new admin.
Also call yourself what you are, volunteers, not staff.
they are partially the reason why skial still exists ungrateful ****
 

Doom4life

Wicked Nasty Engineer
they are partially the reason why skial still exists ungrateful ****
Last I checked, Bottiger runs Skial and without Bottiger, there is no Skial.

If you aren't happy with how you are treated, resign and go back to a casual/donator. Noone is forcing you to do it.
 

Xantam

Server-Clearing Cynic
Contributor
Last I checked, Bottiger runs Skial and without Bottiger, there is no Skial.

If you aren't happy with how you are treated, resign and go back to a casual/donator. Noone is forcing you to do it.
Bottiger uses donation money to keep servers up. We run the community. If Bottiger disappeared, I am fairly certain the donations would continue to fund the place.
 

Doom4life

Wicked Nasty Engineer
Bottiger uses donation money to keep servers up. We run the community. If Bottiger disappeared, I am fairly certain the donations would continue to fund the place.
Who runs/operates the servers? Do you have the ability to take a server offline or add a new server at a whims notice?
 

Nicholas771212

TF2 Admin
Can you tell me how often that happens?
Quite a bit, you have access to bot notifications in the discord and can see when specific servers are being ddosed, offline, ect ect. While it may be mostly rust there is quite a bit of tf2 servers that go through the same process.
As for this issue I am neutral, while I can see the benefits to autobalance immunity such as the annoyance of having to rebuild an engie nest, I can see the problems, as some new applicants for admin may only apply strictly for benefits. Autobalance immunity wouldnt really be a downside for admins/normal players/the server as donators have access to it, but it may be a downward spiral for future admin applicants ect.
 

Xantam

Server-Clearing Cynic
Contributor
Quite a bit, you have access to bot notifications in the discord and can see when specific servers are being ddosed, offline, ect ect. While it may be mostly rust there is quite a bit of tf2 servers that go through the same process.
As for this issue I am neutral, while I can see the benefits to autobalance immunity such as the annoyance of having to rebuild an engie nest, I can see the problems, as some new applicants for admin may only apply strictly for benefits. Autobalance immunity wouldnt really be a downside for admins/normal players/the server as donators have access to it, but it may be a downward spiral for future admin applicants ect.
I'll say what I said in our discord admin chat. If the admins do their jobs, who cares if they only sign up for the benefits. If they get in and don't do anything, Bottiger needs to do what he's never done and clamp down on inactive staff (which we currently have).

The issue I have is that I join a server and see a report, then join that server to handle the report, often via DM on steam, and then rejoin my server, only to get balanced constantly. I feel that because of the work I am doing, I shouldn't get autobalanced purely because I have no points, because I did my job here.
 

Biggie

Forum Admin
Contributor
I'll say what I said in our discord admin chat. If the admins do their jobs, who cares if they only sign up for the benefits. If they get in and don't do anything, Bottiger needs to do what he's never done and clamp down on inactive staff (which we currently have).

The issue I have is that I join a server and see a report, then join that server to handle the report, often via DM on steam, and then rejoin my server, only to get balanced constantly. I feel that because of the work I am doing, I shouldn't get autobalanced purely because I have no points, because I did my job here.

Bite the bullet and spend the 20-30k credits for 2 week auto balance immunity from the ingame shop. Just because we volunteer our time doesn't mean we get every perk out there. I used to get balanced to the other team but I don't throw a fit..

Or you could just donate too.. but I guess that's out of the picture at this point.
 

Zeo

TF2 Admin
Contributor
Who runs/operates the servers? Do you have the ability to take a server offline or add a new server at a whims notice?
A monkey could make a server and run it but that's not the difficult part. The difficult part is the direction of the community. Bottiger is the one who made this community and without him it would fail. I managed one the biggest communities back in the day and can tell you this from experience.

Honestly I think that a new admin group should just get added to sourcebans (if that's still where admin groups get managed for sourcemod) for admins who donate. But it is what it is. You still get way more privileges than normal players and being an admin is supposed to be about supporting the community anyway.

I can understand your frustration though Xantam.
 

Jermaphobe

Moderator
Contributor
Legendary Mapper
Honestly I think that a new admin group should just get added to sourcebans (if that's still where admin groups get managed for sourcemod) for admins who donate.
What would be the point in this, just to point out who gives Skial money and those who don't? You can donate to Skial, receive benefits, and still have admin. They're separate