Xantam

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All,

This is a suggestion thread to remove @Jermaphobe from staff. I have tagged him knowing he'll see this anyway but also so he can try and reply, justify or explain himself. I know this thread will have to be heard by @Bottiger and the end result for removal is highly unlikely but the issues that are presented in this thread cannot simply be ignored.

There are no formal guidelines, forums or forms for staff complaints. I feel there should be, legitimate cases of admin abuse or admin misconduct, or even admin error, should be raised so we can better ourselves. TF2 is a dying breed and if Skial wants to be the best (let's face it, we're definitely in the top rankings!) we need proper channels to deal with staff issues. So for now, a suggestion thread will have to suffice.

I'll be as detailed and thorough as I can in this suggestion/report because obviously I have a personal desired result which I feel would only be a benefit to the team and the community. Others may have a different desired outcome which is fine.

I'll split this into a few sections. The sections being how I and others perceive J's behaviour, his attitude, how he deals with things, how he speaks to people and his overall performance. I don't imagine this will be a large section.
The second section will be the evidence of misconduct and errors I and others have noticed so far which have lead me to make this thread.

I became an admin here in Feb 2019, a year ago this month. Jerma became an admin shortly after in April 2019, I had never worked with him as a mapper or contributor but I have seen and watched him as a staff member, an admin, for his entire "career" here in Skial. I've had ups and downs with J, more downs than anything. I am a very easy going guy, I try to get on with most people, but I am also very critical and try to not only point out issues, but solutions. I have found time and time again while observing Jerma handle reports, appeals, discord public channels and even speaking on the servers, to be extremely hostile to the community and even to other staff.

As an example of this, let's do a quick search for his name.
https://stats.skial.com/#summary/chat/All/Jerma
Which brings up immediately the following which catches my eye;
DEATH RUN | US ████ 02/02/2020 - 03:16:54 AM Milk [Overlord] Jermaphobe : Nah, Milk's dumbass can remain muted
I could go on, there are literally pages of this. I am an admin and I punish for some small things people don't like sometimes but yet I am still liked amongst the players. I have banned @Sir Trooper and yet he still likes me and talks to me regularly, it's the same with others. I don't know how he manages to do it but Jerma seems to manage to upset everyone he comes into contact with through his superiority-god-complex or just his rudeness or attitude.

We have these posts here where Jerma was quite abrasive or rude for no apparent reason;
https://www.skial.com/posts/786843/ - this is a rust app. We're trying to staff it, not make people think we're rude staff. If I were to reply, I'd have probably said "Sorry for the delay, things take time in Skial" and fluffed it up a bit more.
https://www.skial.com/threads/appeal-nightwing3000.85568/ - while the appeal was denied rightfully so, I just don't see the need to speak to players in this kind of manner, I have denied appeals as other staff have and it's been the end of it after a decent explanation.
I don't want to continue dragging these up as I feel this thread is going to go on forever.

I have done some recon work around Skial and gathered a few bits of feedback. I have spoken to 5 active staff at random and asked for their thoughts, every single one of them agreed with my position and my feelings. I am obviously not going to name these staff as I am not going to start a conspiracy - this thread is mine and off my own back but they are free to feedback if they want, though I doubt they will.
I have spoken to over 10 players, most of which have had no direct dealings with Jerma, all of which agreed with me except 1 who valued his activity over his issues for some reason, despite recognising he had major issues. Again, I could survey the entire community but I don't want to start a witch hunt or conspiracy, I am just here to relay facts.

I am a TF2 admin. I have expressed an interest in fixing up the skial forums for the community to make them all appealing and productive but have never asked for any ranks. In my time here, Jerma has managed to secure TF2 Admin, Rust Admin, forum mod, has been asking for forum admin for months and has begged for discord admin which he finally got last night, citing there were no discord admins online, despite Biggie and Toxik being online and responding. I questioned this for the reasons I stated and got met with ignorance and this;
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The "salty" emoji. He changed that after I asked why he was promoted to discord admin. This is a prime example of his attitude towards his staff colleagues.

A thread was made at some time in 2019 suggesting Jerma step down or resign. I believe it had something to do with @Kaleido and bloop. Obviously this did not happen but that thread seems to have disappeared? No staff have the ability to delete threads. No staff except forum mods, which Jerma is for some reason, did Jerma delete his own complaint thread?

I've never gotten shit in all my time as an admin because I don't suck
To quote a wise, wise man...

I'll move on to the misconduct now as I have ranted on enough I think about his demeanour.
I am not saying everyone should adopt my stance and my methods when it comes to administrating the community but I personally maintain a standard where I only ban when I am 100% certain they are breaking the rules. Not 99%, 100% always. If this means a hacker gets off for a few more hours while staff review a demo of mine, so be it. I'd rather not have an innocent player removed from Skial because of a "hunch", they could be potential future donors or even future staff, which I'd drive away by wrongfully punishing them, not to mention I'd have to apologise after... ugh.

That being said, there are cases cropping up more regular than I'd like which show an absolutely careless and reckless attitude to handing out punishments to our players, some of them being regulars. I am not going to rip apart Jermas ban or silence list because I don't have the time and I am not that sad but the ones I have handy speak enough for themselves.

https://www.skial.com/threads/appeal-viper.85012/
In this thread a player was banned and a demo was produced. A player even said this in the appeal which speaks volumes about Jermas attitude:
"Jerma's next line will be: You were caught cheating, you will not be unbaned" - this comment was removed for violating the unban thread policy. The thread from start to finish lasted an astonishing 7 days. It took 3 days for Jerma to reply despite being on the forums daily and being tagged on day 1. I had to personally review the evidence my self which Jerma had reviewed and recorded and I saw no hacks at all, not even remotely, not 1%. The player was then unbanned on the 7th day. For 7 days, a player was unable to play on a community he had accumulated nearly 1000 hours on, for a ban that should never have been applied, and an appeal that should have been handled 6 days prior to the date it was finalised.

https://www.skial.com/sourcebans/index.php?p=banlist&advType=ip&advSearch=199.8.13.248
I am unsure what the deal with this is, I just stumbled across it by accident in honesty, but again, it shows a player being permanently banned on the 30/09/2019 - I can't see a removal date unfortunately so I dread to think how long it was in place for, but the unban reason is "lack of evidence", yet another dusty f-up of hasty banning without reason.

https://www.skial.com/sourcebans/index.php?p=banlist&advSearch=[U:1:905061841]&advType=steamid
This thread probably upset me the most out of them all for reasons below. This player appealed his permanent ban for hacking, Jerma responded on the same day (thank god..) explaining he'll remain banned while other staff review the demo. It seems that other staff did review the demo and it was discovered the player was indeed innocent as his ban was lifted. But, the part that upsets me is, rather than admit he was wrong and apologise for the inconvenience to a loyal player, the thread was simply just marked as "resolved". This is a regular pattern with Jerma, he refuses to acknowledge when he is wrong, never truly apologises and gets very defensive about any time he is challenged.

https://www.skial.com/threads/appeal-♦•general•hawka•♦.85672/
This thread being the most recent. I have played probably over hundreds of hours on DR with Hawka and he plays some god awful music, not to my taste. I initiate votemutes on him all the time, when they fail (as they do 99% of the time), I use !ignore.
"Whether music over voice chat is spam will be left to a server vote. However music is NOT allowed on trade servers." - I follow this to the letter.
!ignore exists for everyone on all skial servers, you do not have to listen to anyone you don't want and you can ignore them and unignore them on a whim. The fact that Hawka was not votemuted tells me 2 things; 1, people liked it enough to not try it to begin with (as they usually do like it, honestly), and 2, Jerma didn't follow the server rules, ignored the players on there who may have been listening (as they usually do) and silenced him for a week for music.
I confronted Jerma on the appeal thread and got no response.
I questioned Jerma in our private staff discord channel #Admin and got no response until I piled a bit of pressure on for a reply. It took hours, despite him being active and handling other reports and talking to other people, Jerma ignored my request for information to why he silenced a donor, a regular and someone ultimately who did nothing wrong. The reply I got was... odd. To prevent leaks from our staff chat I will not be putting publically the chatlogs but all staff can see them on demand. The bottom line was jerma told me he did it by accident. When I questioned further, Jerma said he was playing music loudly (not against the rules) and that Jerma joined the server where a vote to mute another player was already ongoing and passed, which Hawka began playing music again after. I again quizzed further and asked why he didn't put it to a server vote as per the rules, the reply I got was "lmfao, I don't keep track of my punishments".
To put it bluntly. Jerma silenced Hawka for a week for playing music which is not against the servers rules, forced Hawka to appeal and forced him to apologise and agree to server rules he never broke before un-silencing him.

https://www.skial.com/sourcebans/index.php?p=banlist&searchText=Billymays&Submit=
I don't know much about this situation but the unban reason, from permanent ban, speaks volumes about Jermas ability to admin, once again being too hasty, too harsh and too incompetent to actually detect hacks. Jerma issued an over the top punishment without thinking or being 100% certain, keeping a regular off the servers, once other staff verified the proof was insufficient, Jerma issued the unban with reason: "The others "think" he isn't cheating" - despite being told by a few staff, failure to admit fault.

As I said, I am not going to rip his bans and silences apart further, but I dread to think how many more there are.

It is at this point that I am quite... disgusted? to work with such a person who cannot take criticism, who handles cases so harshly and speaks to the community as a whole (players and staff alike) like shit, except for bottiger who he begs for more power from. Jermas only goal seems to be getting more power. I reitterate that to date, he has garnered the ranks of TF2 admin, Rust admin, forum mod (which no other TF2 admin has), asking for forum admin and begged until he got discord admin.

I know that this thread will likely not be responded to by staff as they would rather remain impartial, but I am sick of this being ignored and swept under the carpet. I have messaged Bottiger a few times with my concerns to be brushed off. I feel this my last resort to put my case forward and maybe get some external support for this.

Thank you for reading my life story :).

DISCLAIMER:
It's long.
There is no TL;DR.
I probably missed stuff. No, I definitely missed stuff.
 

herp 105.4

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what i want to know is jerma's actual opinion ngl, then turn it into a meme but other than that i want to see his views and taste the sugar coating, also this is getting more and more heated hang on ima make an omelette
 

herp 105.4

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looking at the thread and the start of it
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he did a nice fuckin save until he chucked it again
 

RenZ

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I am going to say this now, this is not going to end well.

I got negative nancy from my -1 so I guess I get something out of this.

If this does end up being on bottigers front desk I think we should follow sarges suggestion as using fire as a last resort. If we focus on bettering ourselves instead of getting worked up about one thing, we will become better images of ourselves. If we let hatred clout our vision, that is all we'll ever see.
 
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herp 105.4

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I am going to say this now, this is not going to end well.

I got negative nancy from my -1 so I guess I get something out of this.

If this does end up being on bottigers front desk I think we should follow sarges suggestion as using fire as a last resort. If we focus on bettering ourselves instead of getting worked up about one thing, we will become better images of ourselves. If we let hatred clout our vision, that is all we'll ever see.

ok sun zu but everyones points still stand, the fuck
 

Truetiming

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I dont see how this is "not going to end well", it'll only go 3 ways; either A) nothing happens at all, and this gets buried B) Jerma shifts his attitude and how he handles reports or C) he gets removed. And if i have any hope, no matter what option gets picked it should be for the benefit of skial.
 

Xantam

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I dont see how this is "not going to end well", it'll only go 3 ways; either A) nothing happens at all, and this gets buried B) Jerma shifts his attitude and how he handles reports or C) he gets removed. And if i have any hope, no matter what option gets picked it should be for the benefit of skial.
Absolutely this. I know Jerma won't be removed, Bottiger won't do that and I'd wager a hefty bet on that. At LEAST I want a result where Jerma talks to everyone like his equals and not his slaves and actually asks for help when he needs it instead of punishing innocent people.
 

Maddo

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If we let hatred clout our vision
It's "cloud".

I dont see how this is "not going to end well", it'll only go 3 ways; either A) nothing happens at all, and this gets buried B) Jerma shifts his attitude and how he handles reports or C) he gets removed. And if i have any hope, no matter what option gets picked it should be for the benefit of skial.
or D) everyone in this thread gets a warning.

Jerma won't even respond to this post.
He probably has to speak to bottiger first :tonguewink:
 

Maddo

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He's probably not going to involve himself anyway, if he's sensible, he won't comment here.
If he's sensible, he'll admit his shortcomings and make a commitment to be a better man/admin.
Humbling oneself is one of the most genuine ways of achieving growth.
 
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Ciaran

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+1

While Jermaphobe hasn't personally done anything against me I still see him as a bad admin because of all of these things he's done and his general behavior toward people (most notably on Deathrun US1).
 

Antamania

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Removal of an active admin seems very extreme. I know he isn't a popular person, but that doesn't necessarily mean his admin should be taken from him. Could his manner be better? There's no denying that. Does he deserve a talking to, being told to calm it down? Probably.

Almost all the complaints you've lobbied against him involve him being a boor. I'm not seeing much in the way of actually abusing his power, short of overstepping and taking reports from other admins who are already working on them. I think a simple talking to at least, and at most a stern, meaningful warning is more appropriate than removal.

I say this as someone with experience running a decently large server group. You want to keep the active ones because they're hard to find. If he toned down his rudeness, I'm sure a lot of people's problems with him would go away overnight.

Jerma won't even respond to this post.

There's nothing wrong with that. In his situation I likely would stay out of the thread too. It'd be inappropriate for him to handle this complaint because it's directly about him. I'm sure if this thread is even acknowledged by Bott, he'll respond directly to him about it.
 

Xantam

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Removal of an active admin seems very extreme. I know he isn't a popular person, but that doesn't necessarily mean his admin should be taken from him. Could his manner be better? There's no denying that. Does he deserve a talking to, being told to calm it down? Probably.

Almost all the complaints you've lobbied against him involve him being a boor. I'm not seeing much in the way of actually abusing his power, short of overstepping and taking reports from other admins who are already working on them. I think a simple talking to at least, and at most a stern, meaningful warning is more appropriate than removal.

I say this as someone with experience running a decently large server group. You want to keep the active ones because they're hard to find. If he toned down his rudeness, I'm sure a lot of people's problems with him would go away overnight.
It's almost like people assume I haven't tried to talk to him. There have been many instances where I have asked Jerma something about one of his punishments or his dealings, I get met with a very defensive toxic attitude, or just outright ignorance. If I can't resolve something with the user, I usually escalate it, which is what I did yesterday. I messaged Bottiger my concerns and got brushed off. I like and respect Bottiger for his work here but I feel like he doesn't understand the bigger picture and the scale of how many people, staff (who haven't commented, yet) and players alike want this abusive admin gone or to change; but change won't happen as Jerma is unable to recognise his faults and work on them. He is unwilling to discuss them and try to fix himself.

I also have experience running a large community, my server that I own has 71 players on currently (just one server, not a dozen like TF2). The ownership of an enterprise is irrelevant lol. It goes back to the "quality over quantity" argument.
 

Antamania

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It's almost like people assume I haven't tried to talk to him. There have been many instances where I have asked Jerma something about one of his punishments or his dealings, I get met with a very defensive toxic attitude, or just outright ignorance. If I can't resolve something with the user, I usually escalate it, which is what I did yesterday. I messaged Bottiger my concerns and got brushed off. I like and respect Bottiger for his work here but I feel like he doesn't understand the bigger picture and the scale of how many people, staff (who haven't commented, yet) and players alike want this abusive admin gone or to change; but change won't happen as Jerma is unable to recognise his faults and work on them. He is unwilling to discuss them and try to fix himself.

I also have experience running a large community, my server that I own has 71 players on currently (just one server, not a dozen like TF2). The ownership of an enterprise is irrelevant lol.

I wasn't trying to dick measure about owning a community. I was more saying that I have experience with people who behave like Jerma does, and it's almost always worth keeping those people if the behavior can be modified.

I wasn't saying other admins should try talking to him. The way it's being shown is that he won't respond to that. I'm not sure of how the leadership in Skial operates, but if there is someone higher than Jerma other than Bott, perhaps he'd respond more seriously to a warning from one of them rather than a reasonable person on his same level talking to him.

I also wasn't implying this was a personal problem you had with him. I don't know where you got the idea that I thought you hadn't tried to bring your concerns up privately. I doubt you want a shitslinging with another admin in public, especially when you know there are certain users on this forum who live for this.
 

Xantam

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I wasn't trying to dick measure about owning a community. I was more saying that I have experience with people who behave like Jerma does, and it's almost always worth keeping those people if the behavior can be modified.

I wasn't saying other admins should try talking to him. The way it's being shown is that he won't respond to that. I'm not sure of how the leadership in Skial operates, but if there is someone higher than Jerma other than Bott, perhaps he'd respond more seriously to a warning from one of them rather than a reasonable person on his same level talking to him.

I also wasn't implying this was a personal problem you had with him. I don't know where you got the idea that I thought you hadn't tried to bring your concerns up privately. I doubt you want a shitslinging with another admin in public, especially when you know there are certain users on this forum who live for this.
My message wasn't personal to you, I am sorry if it came accross that way. I was just explaining that I also own something quite large and I have managed people like Jerma before. 1: it should not take someone higher up to manage them and bring them down a notch or two, they should take all feedback given to them, that's human nature, to learn. 2: we're a team here, and quite a close one because we're quite small. You need to fit into that team, but he isn't. I have tried to talk to him, others may have done, I am unsure, but I am definitely the more outspoken one, others kinda look to me to be the spokesman.

He is active. Definitely a good thing. But everything else outweighs that tenfold to the point it's not worth keeping someone who has the potential to drive players away.
 
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Antamania

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My message wasn't personal to you, I am sorry if it came accross that way. I was just explaining that I also own something quite large and I have managed people like Jerma before. 1: it should not take someone higher up to manage them and bring them down a notch or two, they should take all feedback given to them, that's human nature, to learn. 2: we're a team here, and quite a close one because we're quite small. You need to fit into that team, but he isn't. I have tried to talk to him, others may have done, I am unsure, but I am definitely the more outspoken one, others kinda look to me to be the spokesman.

He is active. Definitely a good thing. But everything else outweighs that tenfold to the point it's not worth keeping someone who has the potential to drive players away.

In an ideal world, it shouldn't take someone higher up to message him. But, I'm just trying to think up alternative ways for this to play out, that Bottiger likely will do. I think it's very unlikely he'd lose his admin over this thread, but I do think you could absolutely push from the amount of staff and regulars agreeing here to at the very least have a talk about this. Perhaps the number of people responding reasonably with their concerns about him will make him see that he should consider dialing things back and treating people a little more kindly.

I think that most people would see this much dislike towards them as a bit of a wakeup call. As I said, I personally haven't had anything but pleasant dealings with him, but this many people having individual concerns more than likely can't be written off. So the advice I'd give to Jerma is read through this thread, take the things people have said seriously. Disregard the trolling that undoubtedly is here, but focus on the people who actually care about this and maybe do some introspection.

I still advocate removal being a bit strong without a serious conversation with him first from Bott.