Xantam

Server-Clearing Cynic
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All,

This is a suggestion thread to remove @Jermaphobe from staff. I have tagged him knowing he'll see this anyway but also so he can try and reply, justify or explain himself. I know this thread will have to be heard by @Bottiger and the end result for removal is highly unlikely but the issues that are presented in this thread cannot simply be ignored.

There are no formal guidelines, forums or forms for staff complaints. I feel there should be, legitimate cases of admin abuse or admin misconduct, or even admin error, should be raised so we can better ourselves. TF2 is a dying breed and if Skial wants to be the best (let's face it, we're definitely in the top rankings!) we need proper channels to deal with staff issues. So for now, a suggestion thread will have to suffice.

I'll be as detailed and thorough as I can in this suggestion/report because obviously I have a personal desired result which I feel would only be a benefit to the team and the community. Others may have a different desired outcome which is fine.

I'll split this into a few sections. The sections being how I and others perceive J's behaviour, his attitude, how he deals with things, how he speaks to people and his overall performance. I don't imagine this will be a large section.
The second section will be the evidence of misconduct and errors I and others have noticed so far which have lead me to make this thread.

I became an admin here in Feb 2019, a year ago this month. Jerma became an admin shortly after in April 2019, I had never worked with him as a mapper or contributor but I have seen and watched him as a staff member, an admin, for his entire "career" here in Skial. I've had ups and downs with J, more downs than anything. I am a very easy going guy, I try to get on with most people, but I am also very critical and try to not only point out issues, but solutions. I have found time and time again while observing Jerma handle reports, appeals, discord public channels and even speaking on the servers, to be extremely hostile to the community and even to other staff.

As an example of this, let's do a quick search for his name.
https://stats.skial.com/#summary/chat/All/Jerma
Which brings up immediately the following which catches my eye;
DEATH RUN | US ████ 02/02/2020 - 03:16:54 AM Milk [Overlord] Jermaphobe : Nah, Milk's dumbass can remain muted
I could go on, there are literally pages of this. I am an admin and I punish for some small things people don't like sometimes but yet I am still liked amongst the players. I have banned @Sir Trooper and yet he still likes me and talks to me regularly, it's the same with others. I don't know how he manages to do it but Jerma seems to manage to upset everyone he comes into contact with through his superiority-god-complex or just his rudeness or attitude.

We have these posts here where Jerma was quite abrasive or rude for no apparent reason;
https://www.skial.com/posts/786843/ - this is a rust app. We're trying to staff it, not make people think we're rude staff. If I were to reply, I'd have probably said "Sorry for the delay, things take time in Skial" and fluffed it up a bit more.
https://www.skial.com/threads/appeal-nightwing3000.85568/ - while the appeal was denied rightfully so, I just don't see the need to speak to players in this kind of manner, I have denied appeals as other staff have and it's been the end of it after a decent explanation.
I don't want to continue dragging these up as I feel this thread is going to go on forever.

I have done some recon work around Skial and gathered a few bits of feedback. I have spoken to 5 active staff at random and asked for their thoughts, every single one of them agreed with my position and my feelings. I am obviously not going to name these staff as I am not going to start a conspiracy - this thread is mine and off my own back but they are free to feedback if they want, though I doubt they will.
I have spoken to over 10 players, most of which have had no direct dealings with Jerma, all of which agreed with me except 1 who valued his activity over his issues for some reason, despite recognising he had major issues. Again, I could survey the entire community but I don't want to start a witch hunt or conspiracy, I am just here to relay facts.

I am a TF2 admin. I have expressed an interest in fixing up the skial forums for the community to make them all appealing and productive but have never asked for any ranks. In my time here, Jerma has managed to secure TF2 Admin, Rust Admin, forum mod, has been asking for forum admin for months and has begged for discord admin which he finally got last night, citing there were no discord admins online, despite Biggie and Toxik being online and responding. I questioned this for the reasons I stated and got met with ignorance and this;
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The "salty" emoji. He changed that after I asked why he was promoted to discord admin. This is a prime example of his attitude towards his staff colleagues.

A thread was made at some time in 2019 suggesting Jerma step down or resign. I believe it had something to do with @Kaleido and bloop. Obviously this did not happen but that thread seems to have disappeared? No staff have the ability to delete threads. No staff except forum mods, which Jerma is for some reason, did Jerma delete his own complaint thread?

I've never gotten shit in all my time as an admin because I don't suck
To quote a wise, wise man...

I'll move on to the misconduct now as I have ranted on enough I think about his demeanour.
I am not saying everyone should adopt my stance and my methods when it comes to administrating the community but I personally maintain a standard where I only ban when I am 100% certain they are breaking the rules. Not 99%, 100% always. If this means a hacker gets off for a few more hours while staff review a demo of mine, so be it. I'd rather not have an innocent player removed from Skial because of a "hunch", they could be potential future donors or even future staff, which I'd drive away by wrongfully punishing them, not to mention I'd have to apologise after... ugh.

That being said, there are cases cropping up more regular than I'd like which show an absolutely careless and reckless attitude to handing out punishments to our players, some of them being regulars. I am not going to rip apart Jermas ban or silence list because I don't have the time and I am not that sad but the ones I have handy speak enough for themselves.

https://www.skial.com/threads/appeal-viper.85012/
In this thread a player was banned and a demo was produced. A player even said this in the appeal which speaks volumes about Jermas attitude:
"Jerma's next line will be: You were caught cheating, you will not be unbaned" - this comment was removed for violating the unban thread policy. The thread from start to finish lasted an astonishing 7 days. It took 3 days for Jerma to reply despite being on the forums daily and being tagged on day 1. I had to personally review the evidence my self which Jerma had reviewed and recorded and I saw no hacks at all, not even remotely, not 1%. The player was then unbanned on the 7th day. For 7 days, a player was unable to play on a community he had accumulated nearly 1000 hours on, for a ban that should never have been applied, and an appeal that should have been handled 6 days prior to the date it was finalised.

https://www.skial.com/sourcebans/index.php?p=banlist&advType=ip&advSearch=199.8.13.248
I am unsure what the deal with this is, I just stumbled across it by accident in honesty, but again, it shows a player being permanently banned on the 30/09/2019 - I can't see a removal date unfortunately so I dread to think how long it was in place for, but the unban reason is "lack of evidence", yet another dusty f-up of hasty banning without reason.

https://www.skial.com/sourcebans/index.php?p=banlist&advSearch=[U:1:905061841]&advType=steamid
This thread probably upset me the most out of them all for reasons below. This player appealed his permanent ban for hacking, Jerma responded on the same day (thank god..) explaining he'll remain banned while other staff review the demo. It seems that other staff did review the demo and it was discovered the player was indeed innocent as his ban was lifted. But, the part that upsets me is, rather than admit he was wrong and apologise for the inconvenience to a loyal player, the thread was simply just marked as "resolved". This is a regular pattern with Jerma, he refuses to acknowledge when he is wrong, never truly apologises and gets very defensive about any time he is challenged.

https://www.skial.com/threads/appeal-♦•general•hawka•♦.85672/
This thread being the most recent. I have played probably over hundreds of hours on DR with Hawka and he plays some god awful music, not to my taste. I initiate votemutes on him all the time, when they fail (as they do 99% of the time), I use !ignore.
"Whether music over voice chat is spam will be left to a server vote. However music is NOT allowed on trade servers." - I follow this to the letter.
!ignore exists for everyone on all skial servers, you do not have to listen to anyone you don't want and you can ignore them and unignore them on a whim. The fact that Hawka was not votemuted tells me 2 things; 1, people liked it enough to not try it to begin with (as they usually do like it, honestly), and 2, Jerma didn't follow the server rules, ignored the players on there who may have been listening (as they usually do) and silenced him for a week for music.
I confronted Jerma on the appeal thread and got no response.
I questioned Jerma in our private staff discord channel #Admin and got no response until I piled a bit of pressure on for a reply. It took hours, despite him being active and handling other reports and talking to other people, Jerma ignored my request for information to why he silenced a donor, a regular and someone ultimately who did nothing wrong. The reply I got was... odd. To prevent leaks from our staff chat I will not be putting publically the chatlogs but all staff can see them on demand. The bottom line was jerma told me he did it by accident. When I questioned further, Jerma said he was playing music loudly (not against the rules) and that Jerma joined the server where a vote to mute another player was already ongoing and passed, which Hawka began playing music again after. I again quizzed further and asked why he didn't put it to a server vote as per the rules, the reply I got was "lmfao, I don't keep track of my punishments".
To put it bluntly. Jerma silenced Hawka for a week for playing music which is not against the servers rules, forced Hawka to appeal and forced him to apologise and agree to server rules he never broke before un-silencing him.

https://www.skial.com/sourcebans/index.php?p=banlist&searchText=Billymays&Submit=
I don't know much about this situation but the unban reason, from permanent ban, speaks volumes about Jermas ability to admin, once again being too hasty, too harsh and too incompetent to actually detect hacks. Jerma issued an over the top punishment without thinking or being 100% certain, keeping a regular off the servers, once other staff verified the proof was insufficient, Jerma issued the unban with reason: "The others "think" he isn't cheating" - despite being told by a few staff, failure to admit fault.

As I said, I am not going to rip his bans and silences apart further, but I dread to think how many more there are.

It is at this point that I am quite... disgusted? to work with such a person who cannot take criticism, who handles cases so harshly and speaks to the community as a whole (players and staff alike) like shit, except for bottiger who he begs for more power from. Jermas only goal seems to be getting more power. I reitterate that to date, he has garnered the ranks of TF2 admin, Rust admin, forum mod (which no other TF2 admin has), asking for forum admin and begged until he got discord admin.

I know that this thread will likely not be responded to by staff as they would rather remain impartial, but I am sick of this being ignored and swept under the carpet. I have messaged Bottiger a few times with my concerns to be brushed off. I feel this my last resort to put my case forward and maybe get some external support for this.

Thank you for reading my life story :).

DISCLAIMER:
It's long.
There is no TL;DR.
I probably missed stuff. No, I definitely missed stuff.
 

HowIMetYourMother

Australian Skial God
Contributor
Wouldn't it be more logical to point out the mistakes personally or make this kind of thread in the admin section.
You are counting "16-4" but this does not indicate anything at all, his job is inherent to create opposition and people who dislike him. Considering he is one of the most active, if not most active admin it does make sense there are a fair ammount of people who dislike him.

IMO try to resolve this internally instead of trying to make a skial drama.
 
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Feral Angel

TF2 Admin
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I’m going with -1 as well.

As dragon said we all had chances to resolve reports. They sit there and sometimes never get resolved until I or jerma has to solve it. You can’t get mad at jerma for handling reports for us, he’s helping us. I’m actually thankful for this (even though he gets there before me.:c) I know that we have lives and all, but holy cheese, we can’t have reports sitting there for hours to days.

Jerma does have an attitude, I don’t disagree but there’s room for improvement. I won’t lie, but there’s been times where I was not happy with him what he did or how he acted. I didn’t like how he treated members for simply asking questions or wondering why. HOWEVER, I had talked to him about it, he seems to have improved from that. I had also talked to about him about banning a player. That he should’ve asked other admins before pulling down the ban. If you see a error on he’s part, PLEASE talk to him about it. Yes, he maybe act stubborn about it and stuff, but he gets things working for himself.


Also

What? I’ve banned people and silenced people and those people hate me for it. I was called an abusive admin for doing what was right. Even as an admin you can manage to get people to dislike you. So I don’t see why you said this. You will get people who love you or hate you no matter what.

I don’t feel like he should be removed as admin completely, more of restrict what he should do until he’s improved more. Like banning a hacker, he shouldn’t be allowed to ban without letting other admins see or give opinions, unless it’s very obvious.

I don’t know completely why, but you seem to really hate jerma and try to chew him out on anything. Yes! I know there’s valid reasons, but there’s times where it’s not needed. We should improve as a team.

I’m sorry if you hate me after this but it needs to be said.
 

Hawka

Notably Dangerous Demo-Knight
Contributor
For someone who got muted unjustly by Jermaphobe because of what stated in my appeal above, I totally agree with administration sterilization of corruption. He must be removed from administration.
 

Xantam

Server-Clearing Cynic
Contributor
You are counting "16-4" but this does not indicate anything at all
It is very indicative. It speaks volumes on behalf of those who have had any kind of interaction with Jerma. It is actually more along the lines of 23-4 due to the 7 staff also agreeing with me and they work with him on a daily basis, but I omitted them figures as there is no written evidence I am willing to publish at this time, for their own privacy. If the staff don't want to work with him, what does that tell you...

his job is inherent to create opposition and people who dislike him.
That is absolutely not true at all. Quoting a wise man;
I've never gotten shit in all my time as an admin because I don't suck

Considering he is one of the most active, if not most active admin it does make sense there are a fair ammount of people who dislike him.
This is a quality over quantity argument. The admin requirements state that we are not required to spend any time on the servers, just handling reports. Now there are plenty of staff around to handle reports but Jerma really does get to them first for the most part.

IMO try to resolve this internally instead of trying to make a skial drama.
I have. I have messaged Jerma, and been met with attitude and a salt emoji which he put there after I displayed my concerns, and I was met with a brush-off from Bottiger when I spoke to him as well. My thoughts are that Bottiger didn't know the sheer amount of dislike people have for one of his team.
 

Noahfresh

Mildly Menacing Medic
+1 if he could get his act together and be a better admin then i'd appreciate him more but until then get him outta here.
 

herp 105.4

Rage-Inducing Forum Troll
Contributor
FF2 Balancer
fuck how do i upload pictures that aren't broken so i can show what fine memes of jerma there are

i say this as the image shit fucking never works
 

Truetiming

Sufficiently Lethal Scout
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I mean even among the admins who -1 and say that jerma shouldnt be removed, they concede that their should be some type of reform with his attitude/handling reports which says a bit
 

herp 105.4

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XANTAM DONT LIST AS FUNNY TELL ME I NEED TO POST THESE SO WHEN JERMA IS SCROLLING THROUGH HE SEE'S MY MEMES
 

Maddo

Gaben's Own Aimbot
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It's just a warning, it doesn't matter
Are you serious? To have an archived warning announcing that you are racist amounts to defamation. To say it doesn't matter tells me your priorities are skewed. This also tells me you don't truly believe I should have got a warning point (just like other admin have stated). Also, if it doesn't matter, why was I given a warning in the first place?
XANTAM DONT LIST AS FUNNY TELL ME I NEED TO POST THESE SO WHEN JERMA IS SCROLLING THROUGH HE SEE'S MY MEMES
https://puush.me/
 

herp 105.4

Rage-Inducing Forum Troll
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FF2 Balancer
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wait can i get banned for this? im reading the rules and ima just keep on posting these until told otherwise
 

herp 105.4

Rage-Inducing Forum Troll
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FF2 Balancer
k thanks for telling. see if it was jerma he'd just ban me on the spot
 

Dragontamer

TF2 Admin
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Are you serious? To have an archived warning announcing that you are racist amounts to defamation. To say it doesn't matter tells me your priorities are skewed. This also tells me you don't truly believe I should have got a warning point (just like other admin have stated). Also, if it doesn't matter, why was I given a warning in the first place?

https://puush.me/
Alright, you've got me there. I don't really think you should've got the warning point. But the bottom line is that we don't want new users behaving the same way. Again, it's not worth our time to decide whether certain users should be warned or not.
Also, how would it result in defamation? He sent you a private PM of your warning and no one knew about it until you made the entire thread about it.
 

Xantam

Server-Clearing Cynic
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Alright, you've got me there. I don't really think you should've got the warning point. But the bottom line is that we don't want new users behaving the same way. Again, it's not worth our time to decide whether certain users should be warned or not.
Also, how would it result in defamation? He sent you a private PM of your warning and no one knew about it until you made the entire thread about it.
I believe that private warning mail is automatic any time someone is warned on the forums; jerma never reached out.
 

PaJama

Scarcely Lethal Noob
+1 because Jerma isn't cut out for the admin role due to his superiority complex and childness.
 

Sargent¥

Australian Skial God
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More leaning towards a +1 but I'm more open to the idea where firing should be a last resort unless they're inactive. While on the topic, I'm the king of inactivity as a staff member but I'm here when I need to be. With that said, it wouldn't be fair for someone as inactive as myself to say who should or shouldn't be fired. That said, looking at it not as a staff member but as a member of Skial's community, there should be change
  • A big problem we had with a prior staff member is they were very entitled, rude and virtually did not enjoy being in the position. I don't know about the last part but with the first 2, I'm seeing those traits in Jerma based on what I've read from him in admin chat and altercations he's had with current staff. That needs immediate changing, a big part of working in a team and as a team is to work together, not fight and be professional. We're representing one of TF2's largest communities, there should be no sense of anything I said above present in the staff.
  • When handling reports, ban or silencing should be a final solution. Obviously, if the intent is blatant, go ahead and apply punishment but it's better we keep players (especially legitimate ones) and change their perception of reality than unwelcome them from Skial as a whole. I think Jerma is too quick to punish.
  • When looking into cheating reports, there is no essence of forgiveness, not during, not after. So with such a heavy punishment, there should be careful evaluation. Based on what I've seen, I don't think Jerma can make those evaluations. Really the only solution to this is to get other admins to look at his demos or let other admins deal with cheating reports, which is annoying and difficult but at the same time, it's better that than lose players for illegitimate reasons.
I want to reiterate that this perspective is coming from that of an individual who is a Skial community member, I only wish for the best for Skial. As a staff member, I show no ill will towards Jerma as I've not communicated with him enough to warrant it or the opposite, I'm just looking out for Skial.
 
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Maddo

Gaben's Own Aimbot
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Again, it's not worth our time to decide whether certain users should be warned or not.
Sorry, but it's actually a moderators role to take the time to make these kind of decisions.
Also, how would it result in defamation? He sent you a private PM of your warning and no one knew about it until you made the entire thread about it.
Because it's under my profile for all staff to see, meaning that it's on my record, meaning that it could be held against me at a later date.
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ban or silencing should be a final solution.
Couldn't agree more.. It's a shame that certain people forget that in their pursuit to hold the record for most bans.