Cream Tea

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1. So that bans and comms do not accumulate, this is pretty retarded if you ask me.
2. If somebody's last ban/comm was over half a year ago you should give them a little bit of leniency.
3. I'm not saying if you are a donator you should be let off, but if somebody is a regular user especially if they donate to skial then being banned for a month feels like a year, unless they deliberately keep doing something I don't see why people should be banned for an entire month. All this does is lower skial's player count and hardens the idea of "don't go onto skial it's shit".

This is part of the reason why Jailbreak and Payload | US died. Not going to point fingers here but when you have admins that do it by the book too hard and don't actually come back to the real world and think "you know what, although this guy did something, he probably doesn't need to be banned for more than a week.".
 

Maddo

Gaben's Own Aimbot
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1. So that bans and comms do not accumulate, this is pretty retarded if you ask me.
2. If somebody's last ban/comm was over half a year ago you should give them a little bit of leniency.
3. I'm not saying if you are a donator you should be let off, but if somebody is a regular user especially if they donate to skial then being banned for a month feels like a year, unless they deliberately keep doing something I don't see why people should be banned for an entire month. All this does is lower skial's player count and hardens the idea of "don't go onto skial it's shit".

This is part of the reason why Jailbreak and Payload | US died. Not going to point fingers here but when you have admins that do it by the book too hard and don't actually come back to the real world and think "you know what, although this guy did something, he probably doesn't need to be banned for more than a week.".

This is why there is a section called "ban appeals".
 

Metroidz

Australian Skial God
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Creamtea just doesn't like punishments at all. Please don't change anything that would benefit this dindu and his friends.
 

Blade D_Hero

Moderator
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1.) They are both parts of our punishment system. Why would we allow people to break the rules in one regard and then let them break the rules again before serious action is actually taken? With your system they'd be able to break the rules 8 times (which could drive off more people than simply the one person who gets banned for a month) before hitting the standard one month ban length.

2.) We generally do, especially if they appeal. However, once you get banned for the same thing more than two times in a row, you're the problem, not us.

3.) Maybe they shouldn't break the rules if they don't want to get punished for it then. There have been countless times people who have donated to us have broken the rules and expected leniency; that simply isn't fair to the other players on our servers. It's up to the individual player to realize that if they break the rules they're going to get punished for it.
 
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Sakiko

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1. So that bans and comms do not accumulate, this is pretty retarded if you ask me.
2. If somebody's last ban/comm was over half a year ago you should give them a little bit of leniency.
3. I'm not saying if you are a donator you should be let off, but if somebody is a regular user especially if they donate to skial then being banned for a month feels like a year, unless they deliberately keep doing something I don't see why people should be banned for an entire month. All this does is lower skial's player count and hardens the idea of "don't go onto skial it's shit".

This is part of the reason why Jailbreak and Payload | US died. Not going to point fingers here but when you have admins that do it by the book too hard and don't actually come back to the real world and think "you know what, although this guy did something, he probably doesn't need to be banned for more than a week.".

1. Ban and silences do stack and do lead to a progression in time served its been that way for years and even when you was a admin and got your self banned for breach of the rules, Our rules are lapse other communitys ban for Toxic chat by now you probably be perm banned on these.

2. Why would there be a need to do this "Oh its been 6 months since you last platform griefed lets give you a slap on the wrists" and magically file that somewhere where its recorded (bans) and punish if they do it again (bans)

3. So you are advocating for instance a donator that can platform grief a non donator as much as they want because they are special and poor non donator has to suffer the wrath of a donator. Its kinda elitest and unfair to everyone. Lets not forget a cheater that donates lets let him off as he was a donator?........ Speachless


As for Payload poomba and co left to create their own server as we would not give their friends admin i rejected the idea my self as i known 100% they would abuse their power, And ban and silence anyone that was not breaking the rules, But when they did they complained about it.......

And we get this
And his rant here

They left and it died because they wanted power and to remove anyone they thought was hacking without any proof or ban anthony as he was trolling them, nothing more then that.
And it was part of the videos made by oprah(last one who applied) and someone else btw.

AS FOR JB

You was running that with a group of people you wanted as moderators. It can be argued the way you managed that now is why its dead. Why is it not a success as you clearly said it would be with your ideas?
 
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Sargent¥

Australian Skial God
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I'm just going to decline this, with all due respect, our system has been the simplest and most efficient system in regards to handling individuals who break the rules. We've also been questioning applicants under the same patterns for years. There's absolutely no reason to change the system and I'd highlight why but Blade and Sakiko pretty much did that. You also never gave justification for any of your points so we're not changing our entire system if your arguments are going to be baseless. Just to sum up why they're baseless or lacking:
  1. Why is it "retarded to [you]"?
  2. If there last comm/ban was over half a year ago, then they should've read the rules when they got punished in the first place, unless they knew them and were deliberately breaking them, in which case we shouldn't give them any leniency. Furthermore, the first 3 punishment lengths are a week or less, I say that's pretty lenient.
  3. We've written in our donation ToS that being a donator does not give you the freedom to break the rules. We've also clarified this with individuals who have broken the rules and are donators. If we were to go back on that word, literally any donator who's broken the rules has the right to come back and complain
 
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Cream Tea

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just cuz this is a legit suggestion doesn't mean it's a shitpost

listen sarg if somebody has only one ban why are they suddenly getting a month ban on the next one, this will make zero sense to the user and just make them never want to come back

also i never said donators should be allowed to break the rules i merely thought it should at least be taken into consideration especially if they have not broken a rule for a long time
 
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bl0

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just cuz this is a legit suggestion doesn't mean it's a shitpost

I was being sarcastic ya dingbat, it's just your list of threads is endless and not everyone appreciates it. You're fine in my books but the majority of people disagree with you via the poll.
 

Blade D_Hero

Moderator
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just cuz this is a legit suggestion doesn't mean it's a shitpost

listen sarg if somebody has only one ban why are they suddenly getting a month ban on the next one, this will make zero sense to the user and just make them never want to come back

also i never said donators should be allowed to break the rules i merely thought it should at least be taken into consideration especially if they have not broken a rule for a long time
I'm assuming they should know what's up after being silenced for a week for their previous fuck ups. Ignorance of the rules is no excuse.
 

Cream Tea

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We need an unuseful rating, what you said isn't dumb but it's just not helpful u know
 

Cream Tea

Epic Skial Regular
Legendary Mapper
Yes, they should get longer but I don't think silences should affect ban lengths, since they are different things.
 

Sargent¥

Australian Skial God
Contributor
just cuz this is a legit suggestion doesn't mean it's a shitpost

listen sarg if somebody has only one ban why are they suddenly getting a month ban on the next one, this will make zero sense to the user and just make them never want to come back

also i never said donators should be allowed to break the rules i merely thought it should at least be taken into consideration especially if they have not broken a rule for a long time
Never said it was a shitpost, it's just a bad suggestion. If someone has a one month ban, they don't get it "out of nowhere", they get it from repeat offenses.

This system makes perfect sense, if we don't stack bans and silences, then people could have upwards of fifteen different punishments (8 comm, 7 bans, from what I've seen, we perma at 7-8) before being permanently banned. In addition, silences would be useless then, if people get silenced and then banned, there's no point of the silence, it's a waste of time for the admin. If you're actually stupid enough that an admin needs to step in more than once to stop you from breaking the rules, especially since admins typically ask you to read the rules should you appeal on the first offense if you wish for it to be considered, the fault solely belongs to you, not the consistent system (except when admins forget to change the lengths or choose to do less as to be more lenient, we next to never do more than what's listed unless we're forced too). This system has been extremely crucial into what keeps Skial from dipping. Most players, even those who are punished, don't like inconsistent bans, which most community servers just drop permanent ones right away.

Again, with the donators, we give them a warning in advance before they spend their money so why should we give them any leniency? If anything, we tell them that the rules exist before they get punished for something, that's our leniency.
 

bl0

Positively Inhumane Poster
Contributor
Don't break rules? Is that an option maybe? Hello?

You can't exactly say that when probably half the people who break the rules didn't even know the rule existed. Arrogance, not reading the rules in the first place etc etc.

I may be wrong, who knows.
 

Metroidz

Australian Skial God
Contributor
You can't exactly say that when probably half the people who break the rules didn't even know the rule existed. Arrogance, not reading the rules in the first place etc etc.

I may be wrong, who knows.

Do you have to be told NOT to pull your dick out in public? No?

Probably because you know not to do so, not because there may or may not exist a rule stating against pulling your dick out. It's just something you don't do.

You shouldn't have to need rules saying not to do something you KNOW is wrong anyways. It's the fault of the individual for not familiarizing themselves with the rulers if they aren't sure if something they do is against a rule or not.