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(REMINDER: If anyone is oversensitive about this kind of subjective topics that will be spoken in this thread, then you should not probably read and go to another thread. Not for )
Hello people... I don't know if it's allowed to discuss about topics that might be a little bit controverse and polemical and subjective to other people, so If it is not permited, then I need answers if this topic is permited to discuss here in this forum or NOT.
I don't know if you know much about fictional characters, but there is an issue that I would like to discuss with you to see what is your opinion about fictional characters and the objectification. Well here it goes...
There is a videogame character that I love besides her look. Oh, when I mentioned "her", yes, it's a female character. And is a fighting game character. I just love her moveset, techniques and personality besides her phisical look, but I often hear people that never played a videogame in their lives that say that "she is too oversexualized" or "She's too objectified". That kinds of opinions are so wrong and strange. So I maded a research about the objectification and fictional characters (in therms of design and appearance). So I found an article that sounded so well right. Even I started thinking: "Then if she choosen to wear that kinds of cloth for her own reason or free will?" Then I founded an answer for that too. So I copypasted the whole article on a forum and people do agree with me. (And I altered some words to complete my whole opinion).
So here is what I had written for supporting the article and copypasted from some articles:
(Before reading, just make sure you are reading this with more attention, so you will understand what is my opinion before judging and read the whole giatn text incoming):
Here is the reason why objectification doesn't matter or why a videogame characters cannot be objectified <sexually or genderly> because they are not people and thus cannot be objectified in the same qualitative notion that is suggested by the term (but still, any fictional character has free will on what he wants to eat wear or doing something). (or in other words, mainly because since they are, obviously, purely fictional and they don't reflect reality outside videogames)
Objectification is a tricky and, obviously, subjective and polemical issue. Objectification is the process of turning a person into an item, sometimes for sexual reasons. Although this is kind of awkward, because <as i said again> characters in videogames are not people, and thus cannot be objectified in the same qualitative notion that is suggested by the term. Under the definition of objectification, all main characters are objectified as being acted upon by the player with a controller.
Another issue comes from sexual objectification in specific. So long as one does not believe there is anything wrong with the portrayal of the human body (which is why these games are rated M, so kids do not play) why would anyone have an issue with scantily clad characters? Since we are talking about videogames in particular, these characters exist in a fantasy realm that is not meant to simulate reality, and is actually meant as an escape from reality. So in a fantasy realm of people with superpowers, heightened abilities, or huge technological advancements, one would not expect such characters to conform to the notion of reality, especially when it comes to their portrayal as human beings.
And to top it all off, objectification is not necessarily an issue of gender, many male and female characters have been seen as stark naked (Raiden from Metal Gear Solid 2, Dante from the new DMC and Sherry from Resident Evil 6), overtly muscular (Flay from Mana Khemia and Barret from Final Fantasy 7, even some male characters in SF franchise and Jherii Gallo
from dead rising), have ab windows (Gunvolt, Tales of the Abyss, ), or have overtly tight clothing (Duke Nukem and Nina and Hwoarang from Tekken and Tracer from Overwatch <her pants>) and half naked (which is r.mika's case, even chun-li, cammy, poison and some mortal kombat female characters such as mileena, kitana and so on) and massive breasts (r.mika and laura from street fighter and Kira from Mortal Kombat Deception/unchained). How one may say that these artists did not do this explicitly as objectification, but even so, it is the same result, despite the reasoning behind it. Which means that although many female characters are “objectified” under the loose definition placed with the word, many male characters are too under the same definition.
But does it matter? In my opinion, no. Because just as games are not known to cause violence, there is no evidence that videogames cause sexism, or issues in self esteem. Videogame characters live in a fantasy world that does not, and should not, simulate our own reality. Besides, there is nothing wrong with the human body, and if the game creator wants to make a game with stark naked characters, that’s their call as game creators, and if not, than so be it. It’s not up to us as consumers of the media to force game creators to conform to our liking, it is our duty as individuals to decide whether or not we like a game, and rate it like that, or refuse to purchase it altogether.
The human body is not a bad thing, so let’s not treat it as such, even if it has enhanced features. Remember, this medium is supposed to allow us to escape reality and live in a fantasy world, not the other way around.
Now, the free will and fictional will:
"Fictional characters have the same right to make fictional choices like real peoples to make real choices.
Also most of the male cast have very exposed chest and body muscles they are very sexual too.
Also its tradition for wrestler to look awkward
;) I always have mix of laugh and disqust when I see all that sweated males fighting on ring with equipment like ladders, chairs, tables."
And also... There is another thing that I actually agree:
"This is where I draw the line, the whole "confidence" thing is such an over used excuse to convince people to take off their clothes.
I like R.Mika's costume, but the "confidence" thing is just a dishonest cover for "lack of inhibition", Look at Rose from Street Fighter, she's arguably one of the most modest characters next to Kolin, but no one can convince me those two characters lack confidence in their bodies, they simply just value a bit more modesty than characters like Cammy and R.Mika.
Neither are wrong, what I'm saying is that "confidence" has nothing to do with it."
So what you think about this? Do you agree?
(REMINDER: If anyone is oversensitive about this kind of subjective topics that will be spoken in this thread, then you should not probably read and go to another thread. Not for )
Hello people... I don't know if it's allowed to discuss about topics that might be a little bit controverse and polemical and subjective to other people, so If it is not permited, then I need answers if this topic is permited to discuss here in this forum or NOT.
I don't know if you know much about fictional characters, but there is an issue that I would like to discuss with you to see what is your opinion about fictional characters and the objectification. Well here it goes...
There is a videogame character that I love besides her look. Oh, when I mentioned "her", yes, it's a female character. And is a fighting game character. I just love her moveset, techniques and personality besides her phisical look, but I often hear people that never played a videogame in their lives that say that "she is too oversexualized" or "She's too objectified". That kinds of opinions are so wrong and strange. So I maded a research about the objectification and fictional characters (in therms of design and appearance). So I found an article that sounded so well right. Even I started thinking: "Then if she choosen to wear that kinds of cloth for her own reason or free will?" Then I founded an answer for that too. So I copypasted the whole article on a forum and people do agree with me. (And I altered some words to complete my whole opinion).
So here is what I had written for supporting the article and copypasted from some articles:
(Before reading, just make sure you are reading this with more attention, so you will understand what is my opinion before judging and read the whole giatn text incoming):
Here is the reason why objectification doesn't matter or why a videogame characters cannot be objectified <sexually or genderly> because they are not people and thus cannot be objectified in the same qualitative notion that is suggested by the term (but still, any fictional character has free will on what he wants to eat wear or doing something). (or in other words, mainly because since they are, obviously, purely fictional and they don't reflect reality outside videogames)
Objectification is a tricky and, obviously, subjective and polemical issue. Objectification is the process of turning a person into an item, sometimes for sexual reasons. Although this is kind of awkward, because <as i said again> characters in videogames are not people, and thus cannot be objectified in the same qualitative notion that is suggested by the term. Under the definition of objectification, all main characters are objectified as being acted upon by the player with a controller.
Another issue comes from sexual objectification in specific. So long as one does not believe there is anything wrong with the portrayal of the human body (which is why these games are rated M, so kids do not play) why would anyone have an issue with scantily clad characters? Since we are talking about videogames in particular, these characters exist in a fantasy realm that is not meant to simulate reality, and is actually meant as an escape from reality. So in a fantasy realm of people with superpowers, heightened abilities, or huge technological advancements, one would not expect such characters to conform to the notion of reality, especially when it comes to their portrayal as human beings.
And to top it all off, objectification is not necessarily an issue of gender, many male and female characters have been seen as stark naked (Raiden from Metal Gear Solid 2, Dante from the new DMC and Sherry from Resident Evil 6), overtly muscular (Flay from Mana Khemia and Barret from Final Fantasy 7, even some male characters in SF franchise and Jherii Gallo
from dead rising), have ab windows (Gunvolt, Tales of the Abyss, ), or have overtly tight clothing (Duke Nukem and Nina and Hwoarang from Tekken and Tracer from Overwatch <her pants>) and half naked (which is r.mika's case, even chun-li, cammy, poison and some mortal kombat female characters such as mileena, kitana and so on) and massive breasts (r.mika and laura from street fighter and Kira from Mortal Kombat Deception/unchained). How one may say that these artists did not do this explicitly as objectification, but even so, it is the same result, despite the reasoning behind it. Which means that although many female characters are “objectified” under the loose definition placed with the word, many male characters are too under the same definition.
But does it matter? In my opinion, no. Because just as games are not known to cause violence, there is no evidence that videogames cause sexism, or issues in self esteem. Videogame characters live in a fantasy world that does not, and should not, simulate our own reality. Besides, there is nothing wrong with the human body, and if the game creator wants to make a game with stark naked characters, that’s their call as game creators, and if not, than so be it. It’s not up to us as consumers of the media to force game creators to conform to our liking, it is our duty as individuals to decide whether or not we like a game, and rate it like that, or refuse to purchase it altogether.
The human body is not a bad thing, so let’s not treat it as such, even if it has enhanced features. Remember, this medium is supposed to allow us to escape reality and live in a fantasy world, not the other way around.
Now, the free will and fictional will:
"Fictional characters have the same right to make fictional choices like real peoples to make real choices.
Also most of the male cast have very exposed chest and body muscles they are very sexual too.
Also its tradition for wrestler to look awkward
And also... There is another thing that I actually agree:
"This is where I draw the line, the whole "confidence" thing is such an over used excuse to convince people to take off their clothes.
I like R.Mika's costume, but the "confidence" thing is just a dishonest cover for "lack of inhibition", Look at Rose from Street Fighter, she's arguably one of the most modest characters next to Kolin, but no one can convince me those two characters lack confidence in their bodies, they simply just value a bit more modesty than characters like Cammy and R.Mika.
Neither are wrong, what I'm saying is that "confidence" has nothing to do with it."
So what you think about this? Do you agree?