Admin player resize command for trade/idle

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Meowcenary said:

a orange

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Meowcenary said:

- The tiny player RTD effect was removed sometime ago since it allowed players to walk right into enemy spawn. Spawn exploiting is no big deal on trade/idle but giving them a way to walk into spawn at any time, as any class while being the size of a orange would be a problem.

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This still exists on idle, however enemies getting into spawns doesn't seem to be something we care about on trade.

Meowcenary said:

Giving players a way to get into enemy spawn as any class, at any time they want would cause some major spawn camping issues. I've seen entire spawns getting camped by 12 or so engineers when the tiny RTD effect was on trade

And that was only from the 20 second RTD effect. It'll happen a ton more if players can use it 24/7

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This is something I raised before, but it is stil possible to spawn camp with 12 or so engineers if a donator is on the server.

Meowcenary said:

Even so giving this to players would only make it worse

And there's the other issues I described earlier regarding giving it to players beyond just spawn camping inside spawn

I'm asking this be admin only because in the hands of players, especially donators using it in combination with other things they would abuse the hell out of it

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I agree that it should probably be admin only for these very reasons.

I would like to see resize for Donors because it's a very standard and well-liked benefit to offer. However, I think if -and this is a sizable "if"- our major concern is with preventing "abuse" [read: players getting annoyed to the point of leaving,] that testing should be done on both players' receptiveness and the prevention of possible abuse through plugin limitations, small modifications to maps, etc., meaning that, at least for the time being, resize be an Admin-only command. However, to address "abuse," I can easily see the addition of "OP benefits" like Heavies with Scout speed and crazy loadouts' being introduced being held in the same light as resize's possible ability to get into the enemy's spawn. In my opinion, this is something that is not an issue of concern being that we're talking about Trade and Idle servers where it has been decided that Exploitation and Griefing are not punishable, not to mention that up until recently, through the use of the friendly command, players could get the enemy's spawn and not even be vulnerable to damage. The friendly command wasn't even removed for that; it was just to combat the Shortstop's new knock back which was possible anywhere on the map. We didn't experience player loss from that and we wouldn't experience player loss from giving Donors resize either; we might get some more Donors though.

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Resize should be for Donors and Admins, but Admin-only at least until we test the waters.

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Meowcenary said:

Could you post why

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Well obviously because security is more valuable than freedom... (not)

-1, everyone should be free. Taking away something precious to players who have fun with something causes them to change, and that change is bad in this case.

Peace.

Fairnessplease said:

-1, everyone should be free. Taking away something precious to players who have fun with something causes them to change, and that change is bad in this case.

Peace.

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What does this "take away" from players? What "freedom" is being lost? Did you even read what the conmand does?

RMSniper said:

What does this "take away" from players? What "freedom" is being lost? Did you even read what the conmand does?

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Yes.

Meowcenary said:

Nothing is being taken from players because Skial doesn't have the resize command to begin with

For the record I know you're trolling but my response is for those who may take your post seriously

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I am not a troll. If you would like to, take your concerns with me to unmod. Thank you, and peace.

You should tag an official admin so he can see the thread and decide on what to do?

Use the "@" option.

Meowcenary said:

Suggestions fall down to Bottiger

I assume he saw the thread but may of not decided what to do with it yet

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Don't take the bait Meowcenary.

Anyway +1!