Declined Stop overpolicing the chat in general

[Cream Tea]

You can literally go into your Steam settings and enable the filtering of slurs so you don't have to see them.

Why are we continuing to police the chat like the game is for children? If you choose not to use this filter which Valve added five years ago then you have no right to complain.

 

[DuneToa]

-2.

If the only point of these idiotic suggestion posts is to advocate for casual racism, then a certain individual has already lost their argument. It’s not overpolicing to tell the guys who show up with swastikas, anti-trans symbols, and other hate symbols that that’s a bannable offense, but apparently CT now thinks it’s possible to casually use language associated with such actions in a “non-negative context”. Is it even possible to use the N-word in a non-negative context?

At best you sound like a racist caricature of a gangsta from da hood, at worst you sound like the stereotypical southerner who thinks we should bring back slavery. Maybe some people just need to realize that the connotations of their language can’t be handwaved away simply by ignoring their choice of words. This isn’t abuse of authority, or anything of the sort, it’s just common sense.

 

[Cream Tea]

At best you sound like a racist caricature of a gangsta from da hood, at worst you sound like the stereotypical southerner who thinks we should bring back slavery.

You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

 

[Seina08]

Straw man & false dichotomy

i don't exactly agree with Cream Tea here but aren't you misapplying both of those things here? he's neither strawmanning you (he's asking you to recognise a point on which he thinks you would both agree) nor asserting a dichotomy (he's saying that A doesn't imply B, i.e. that there can be one or the other or both, which is precisely the opposite of what a dichotomy [= mutual exclusivity] is)

 

[Winnie]

-2.

If the only point of these idiotic suggestion posts is to advocate for casual racism, then a certain individual has already lost their argument. It’s not overpolicing to tell the guys who show up with swastikas, anti-trans symbols, and other hate symbols that that’s a bannable offense, but apparently CT now thinks it’s possible to casually use language associated with such actions in a “non-negative context”. Is it even possible to use the N-word in a non-negative context?

At best you sound like a racist caricature of a gangsta from da hood, at worst you sound like the stereotypical southerner who thinks we should bring back slavery. Maybe some people just need to realize that the connotations of their language can’t be handwaved away simply by ignoring their choice of words. This isn’t abuse of authority, or anything of the sort, it’s just common sense.

It really depends on each scenario. I have a report to back this.

https://www.skial.com/threads/pandemictrauma-nazi-swastika-objector.124555/

This player was displaying a swastika sign while the map was set to Berlin before the report was generated. The player did not change their sign once the map changed; thus, the report was made. If you don't know what the map looks like, here are a few preview images from GameBanana:



The gesture "stop overpolicing" emphasizes that someone on this map is being reported for a swastika sign.

Would the report be approved? Most likely, if this context were to be missing from the report. And if the player was not made aware of being reported to defend themself. It would be approached from a universal standpoint by all admins. (How would admins be able to respond to a defense if the user stated that this map has swatiskas too? Remove the map, even if the replay value is strong? Only Bottiger has access to adding or removing maps.)
[This is where and why the suggestion spawns in relevance]

This is just one isolated case. Each one is unique and has separate servers. It asks if the universal order should remain as the standard if each culture is different. Skial has the integrity to uphold these suggestions and maintain transparency for all, which makes it so great. I would like to see changes if cultures continue to differentiate from each other.

 

[Seina08]

Tell me honestly what's wrong with going "sup niggas" or "let's go niggas"? Hard mode: you can't use feelings as a reason.

i'm pretty sure that any and all assertions about what should or shouldn't be are inherently based on subjective value-judgements that find their ground in 'feelings' (in the form of ethical and/or moral intuition). if someone doesn't want the word to be allowed, it's because they think it's indecent or 'bad' in some way. same goes for anything else. unless i'm misinterpreting somehow, you're pretty much asking the impossible here.

 

[Jermaphobe]

i don't exactly agree with Cream Tea here but aren't you misapplying both of those things here? he's neither strawmanning you (he's asking you to recognise a point on which he thinks you would both agree) nor asserting a dichotomy (he's saying that A doesn't imply B, i.e. that there can be one or the other or both, which is precisely the opposite of what a dichotomy [= mutual exclusivity] is)

1. Strawman because no one claimed saying nigga automatically makes you a card carrying KKK member
2. False dichotomy, he is projecting there are either two options when in fact there are multiple.
A) Saying nigga makes you a KKK member
B) Saying nigga & everyone should be fine with it
2.5. Either options are not sensible & illogical given the context & history of this word

 

[Seina08]

1. Strawman because no one claimed saying nigga automatically makes you a card carrying KKK member
2. False dichotomy, he is projecting there are either two options when in fact there are multiple.
A) Saying nigga makes you a KKK member
B) Saying nigga & everyone should be fine with it
2.5. Either options are not sensible & illogical given the context & history of this word

i'm not sure if i'd count "I think [that] you can at least agree that [X is false]" as equal to an attack on an imagined opponent which claims X is true but i get your point. pointing out that X is false isn't exactly super relevant here (and therefore not very useful). similarly with the second point, if it's projection then i think that would moreso make him the one who's misidentifying claims against him as relying on fallacious logic

 

[Mae Day]

Is this just gonna be the same "suggestion" each time? At this point might as well necropost the older one

 

[Metroidz]

Is this just gonna be the same "suggestion" each time? At this point might as well necropost the older one

Cream Tea posts until he doesn't get what he wants. Then he cries and posts again.

 

[Defibyoulater]

For me, one aspect/perspective is, if you want to say such things or imply such things especially with the good fellows you fight along side in Team Defense Fort 2 why don't you just make up your own words? With the origin of the word 'nigger' being so crude, the people who were called that rose above their situation and adopted versions of it for comradery - though it is too controversial to use freely on Skial.

I'm amazed, on Skial, the players haven't simply developed their own word in a similar way. I never played ZE or wherever it came from but I laughed and took intrigue the first time I heard 'laserfag.' I'm unsure if it's mutable.

Maybe instead of these suggestions the players should focus on something more close to home.

 

[muffinman80]

For me, one aspect/perspective is, if you want to say such things or imply such things especially with the good fellows you fight along side in Team Defense Fort 2 why don't you just make up your own words? With the origin of the word 'nigger' being so crude, the people who were called that rose above their situation and adopted versions of it for comradery - though it is too controversial to use freely on Skial.

I'm amazed, on Skial, the players haven't simply developed their own word in a similar way. I never played ZE or wherever it came from but I laughed and took intrigue the first time I heard 'laserfag.' I'm unsure if it's mutable.

Maybe instead of these suggestions the players should focus on something more close to home.

This idea has potential, I don't necessarily agree with a word involving "fag" being acceptable, but this is one of the few constructive ideas I've seen in this thread (and the other CT "nigga" thread) that actually has something resembling a solid foundation.

In my experience, life often involves making compromises when two differing stances refuse to budge. Why not make some kind of compromise here? Established harmful slurs like fag, nigga, nigger don't have a place on Skial in my opinion but why not work towards some kind of compromise that allows us all to reach some kind of peace with this?

 

[Winnie]

This idea has potential, I don't necessarily agree with a word involving "fag" being acceptable, but this is one of the few constructive ideas I've seen in this thread (and the other CT "nigga" thread) that actually has something resembling a solid foundation.

In my experience, life often involves making compromises when two differing stances refuse to budge. Why not make some kind of compromise here? Established harmful slurs like fag, nigga, nigger don't have a place on Skial in my opinion but why not work towards some kind of compromise that allows us all to reach some kind of peace with this?

Some terms loophole the usage of such slurs ('laserfag', 'gayle', etc), but it really depends on the eyes of the reporter.

Really solid take from Muffin in reaching an understanding from all of this. The underlying bridge of this suggestion is to protect the community, rather than providing an allowance for using slurs. Separate suggestion from this, for which I only still advocate those of color for open usage, but not for my own benefit and camaraderie. That's another discussion for which I will not derail this one from lol.

The stigma that surrounds all of this is how a community can be shaken to its core once the culture is threatened. If a report is generated to highlight the offense by my own chatlog as an example:

DEATH RUN | US ████

11/19/2025 - 07:04:16 PM

🔗Winnie

gayle

The report will be universally acknowledged as a discriminatory offense, even if the community has adopted the term. That's mostly why the suggestion begs for a report to be evaluated based on the room instead. Such reports have not been generated with this, but it only takes one. Can the room come together to make terms? Yes and no. There is no right or wrong, as everything depends on the circumstances.

 

[muffinman80]

Some terms loophole the usage of such slurs ('laserfag', 'gayle', etc), but it really depends on the eyes of the reporter.

Really solid take from Muffin in reaching an understanding from all of this. The underlying bridge of this suggestion is to protect the community, rather than providing an allowance for using slurs. Separate suggestion from this, for which I only still advocate those of color for open usage, but not for my own benefit and camaraderie. That's another discussion for which I will not derail this one from lol.

The stigma that surrounds all of this is how a community can be shaken to its core once the culture is threatened. If a report is generated to highlight the offense by my own chatlog as an example:

DEATH RUN | US ████

11/19/2025 - 07:04:16 PM

🔗Winnie

gayle

The report will be universally acknowledged as a discriminatory offense, even if the community has adopted the term. That's mostly why the suggestion begs for a report to be evaluated based on the room instead. Such reports have not been generated with this, but it only takes one. Can the room come together to make terms? Yes and no. There is no right or wrong, as everything depends on the circumstances.

The funniest part about all of this, personally, is that I genuinely believe @Cream Tea mentioned no less than a few rational, grounded and reasonable talking points regarding this suggestion and the other one. Despite what he may or may not believe, I'm not on a witch hunt to pursue his controversial suggestions or the DR community. Rather, I'm interested to see if he's (and the DR community supporting him) are remotely open to the idea of reaching some sort of compromise that would allow the community to work towards something resembling an agreement.

So far, your words and actions have proven that you're unwavering in your stance. As am I! Our stances on this issue couldn't be further different from each other - HOWEVER, I'm at least willing to entertain a compromise.

Prove me wrong my guy. I challenge you to being open to listening to constructive suggestions that potentially contradict your stance, but would allow us to reach a compromise.

 

[Cream Tea]

The funniest part about all of this, personally, is that I genuinely believe @Cream Tea mentioned no less than a few rational, grounded and reasonable talking points regarding this suggestion and the other one. Despite what he may or may not believe, I'm not on a witch hunt to pursue his controversial suggestions or the DR community. Rather, I'm interested to see if he's (and the DR community supporting him) are remotely open to the idea of reaching some sort of compromise that would allow the community to work towards something resembling an agreement.

So far, your words and actions have proven that you're unwavering in your stance. As am I! Our stances on this issue couldn't be further different from each other - HOWEVER, I'm at least willing to entertain a compromise.

Prove me wrong my guy. I challenge you to being open to listening to constructive suggestions that potentially contradict your stance, but would allow us to reach a compromise.

Can I ask you why you're worried about what we say on a gamemode that you don't play on?

 

[muffinman80]

Can I ask you why you're worried about what we say on a gamemode that you don't play on?

You ignored everything I said in both of my previous messages in this thread and responded with single sentence asking me why it would be my business to voice my opinion? I may not play on DR, but I am a (new) part of the leadership of this community. Changing our stance on chat moderation can have a variety of effects on other servers in our community. Just because I don’t frequent a specific server doesn’t mean I can’t at least voice my opinion on the matter.

I wanted to give you a chance. This was that.

We don’t have anything further to discuss because it won’t serve any purpose. It doesn’t really feel like anyone else is in my corner on this, so I won’t press this issue further going forward

 

[Metroidz]

We don’t have anything further to discuss because it won’t serve any purpose. It doesn’t really feel like anyone else is in my corner on this, so I won’t press this issue further going forward

As all discussions with CT.

 

[Cream Tea]

You ignored everything I said in both of my previous messages in this thread and responded with single sentence asking me why it would be my business to voice my opinion? I may not play on DR, but I am a (new) part of the leadership of this community. Changing our stance on chat moderation can have a variety of effects on other servers in our community. Just because I don’t frequent a specific server doesn’t mean I can’t at least voice my opinion on the matter.

I wanted to give you a chance. This was that.

We don’t have anything further to discuss because it won’t serve any purpose. It doesn’t really feel like anyone else is in my corner on this, so I won’t press this issue further going forward

Let me tell you something muffinman. Every Skial server is declining right now and everyone I ask says it's because of chat moderation. I'm literally on Payload US right now talking to people about it. What are you doing?

 

[muffinman80]

Let me tell you something muffinman. Every Skial server is declining right now and everyone I ask says it's because of chat moderation. I'm literally on Payload US right now talking to people about it. What are you doing?

Going to bed because I have work in the morning

 

[Cream Tea]

Going to bed because I have work in the morning

Goodnight then!

 

[Jermaphobe]

Can I ask you why you're worried about what we say on a gamemode that you don't play on?

This is why no one wants to listen to you