I have gone through every page of this thread and have read every comment. For those who want to change back to 32, nearly nothing here will be new for you.
For the mods, read this and be better.
Please take note that I mid 30s and have been working in industry as an engineer for 10 years and hold several degrees. All this is to say: I come with wisdom, experience, technical background, and knowledge. I have also had this peer-reviewed by 2 other engineers. Take that as you may.
tldr: "Dumb people are always blissfully unaware of how dumb they really are".
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1. Ura states: "if you prefer balanced or competitive gameplay you know where to find". ### Hard stop right here. Are you actively encouraging your player base to turn away from your product (Skial servers). This is objectively stupid.
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2. Mr. XxX states: "Performance issues, map cluttering, soft buffs/nerfs for classes." ### I agree with all of this and this is objective fact. You deny this? You are using irrelevant statistical data to come to your conclusions that aren't listed here.
3. flange_the_eternal and Strudels both state sentiments I agree with. Those are objectively true, once again.
4. bacchus: "I don't think the 'like it or leave' applies to....". ### See #1.
5. Rexatronx states a Truth Nuke. Yes, everything he says is correct and factual, objectively.
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6. gala states: react all you want but none can provide an argument why 48 player is bad". ### Unless I missed something (likely), I don't recall anybody mentioning the number 48. 40, perhaps. Not 48. So gala pulled that out of nowhere it seems. I understand the sentiment though: tell me why 40+ is bad". But unless gala can't read, there has been 3 pages thus far to answer his question.
*reads further* oh that makes sense, gala skimmed through it. This guy is a mod? Childish behavior.
7. hug sports states: "this is so dumb and childish." ### Agreed.
8. gala states: "bottiger is the only one who can provide an actual response". ###Then, why are you responding? If you do not have any authority here besides the title of mod, why are you here? And further, responding like a child? Weird.
9. gala states "go play casual". ### See #1 again. I can tell these folk doesn't have a noteworthy job because this is so fireable. And unprofessional. But I digress.
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10. gala: "I don't play payload so". ### Do I need to explain this? Someone making decisions for something they do not have any personal stake in? Sounds precisely like old white men trying to control womens bodies.
11. Abberant Soup: I'm not gonna quite this. We share the exact same sentiment. I am also a donator and all I can see so far in this thread are people who DO NOT play payload whining about not changing back to 32.
12. Strudelts: ...then wi would ask that any comments be seriously about...". ### We should all be agreeing with Strudel here. And I am slowly starting to think gala is an idiot. This isn't trolling. This is sheer stupidity or someone who has nothing better to do. Hence "no noteworthy job".
13. Cream Tea: ..." how are they still a mod". ### Yep.
14. Rex: "Why not have a poll?" ### Yes, tell me why not? I have been active in Uncletopia and shounic changes and all involved a poll. Please state why one wasn't done here.
15. Idk what page it was on but someone mentioned "as long as servers are full and owner is making money....who cares" basically. ### That's retarded. Servers are not full, and how are you gonna make money if........they ain't full?
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16. bottiger: "I noticed another community that basically went from 0 to filling when they switch edto 40". ### There are only a handful of communities for a 20 year old game. Name it. Let us analyze it instead of taking your word for it. He also mentions some stats about a 5% and 28% increase in player count. I double majored in heavy maths and graduated 9 years ago. Do I have to explain how biased your statistical reports are? Your stats are worthless due to bias. Mentioning them as statistical facts shows ignorance.
17. hug sports: ### Says exactly what I mentioned about statisical bias.
18. Jeffel: ### Agreed, I also do not plan to renew the donation because I I'm starting to realize everybody are all children.
19. Strudels: ### Doing the math, lmao. And yes, a 5% increase on US? Wow, big number (sarcasm).
20. Mr. Xxx once again speaking facts. I am now on page 5 with no mod responses and some pretend-mod making troll responses. Sad.
21. argh: "Hey Rexa, Shut the fuck up." No, you shut the fuck up. The adults are talking here.
Your opinion is now worthless since you have demonstrated your inability to have a calm conversation. Also your points are....sub-par.
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Okay! I'm seeing changs made and people are grateful! Cool!
Oh joy, an actual mod responding.
22. bottigner: "this is about survival of server. I want you to think about whether you like the server to be around". This is a 20yr old game. ### Legitmately, how long do YOU think this will last? I understand using hyperbole to get a point across but realistically 10 years ain't it. Even 5 years I would guess. People move on, there are other games to be played, people have lives. 23, 32, 40 man servers aren't gonna be the sole factor for your servers dying out. If that is your argument, then this same exact reason can be used to listen to your community.
23. bottiger: "This is just false...they were doing fine before". ### Define fine. How do you determine that metric? I am sure you're gonna back this up with ass stats as well...
24. bottiger: "If it was as unpopular as everyone here made it out to be, it should cause a player loss, not a player gain. But people here decided to ignore the evidence and argue that they are donating. ### Come on, dawg. There are so many variables to an equation. You altered one variable and came to a conclusion you're so confident in? Sigh.
25. arvense: *MENTIONING OTHER VARIABLES.* ### THANK YOU SOMEONE ISN'T AN IDIOT.
26. bottiger: "There is no point in asking because only the people that have something to comapling about interact with these forums". ### HAVE YOU EVER PARTICIPATED IN AN ELECTION? DO YOU VOTE? How fucking old are you to say something like this? You are young, no doubt about it. Probably doesn't vote cuz "why bother". Meanwhile all the old farts get what they want cuz of dumbasses who don't show up to the pole. This one really heated me up.
27. flange the eternal: "Didn't it occur to you that people specifically got involved very recently to show how much this was being an issue?" ### Yeah, did it? Clearly not based on your responses.
28. bottiger: "So after 5+ years, everyone on the server suddenly got jobs in the past few months?" ### PROBABLY. That's how life works. Maybe not for GenZ children who live on the internet. Hard to grasp when 5 years is like 30% of your entire life.
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29. bottiger: "That a poll on the forums would be useless and not representative of the overall population." ### Oh gee, if only there was some sort of way to notify the people that a poll exists so they can exercise their right to vote. Hmmmmmm, oh well. Shit out of luck (sarcasm).
30. I love Erinkaitor showing the receipts. Props.
31. D_ink: ###Agreed.
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32. bottiger: "Unless you are pestering people to join 32 slots and they don't really want to, you are not doing this for a long period of time. If they aren't switching fast enough, then most people really don't prefer 32 slots.". ### Dude...you are forcing people to work in the mines and then your response is "see, these workers love it! Look how full these ass mines are!" I doubt you understand how stupid this is. The children DO NOT yearn for the mines, contrary to popular belief.
33. D_Ink: "Really can't tell anymore whether you're deliberately gaslighting us or..." ### Yep, Im glad others are noticing. Bottiger is showing up as a child, immature, a liar, or trying to pull some Trump shit thinking we're all retarded.
34. D_Ink: ### Ink....I like this person. They communicate well and don't get bogged down by idiocy the opposing party is displaying. And they rightfully call out to provide facts/proof/details which I mentioned earlier as well. Nobody is gonna take your word for jack shit, espceially the way you're repsonding/acting now.
35. Jeffel: "You also instituted a dark pattern here and aren't really being very scientific at all." ### Yeah, cuz it appears bottiger is a child.
36. Bottiger: "But I already proved and showed numbers that the player counts increased after the slots increased to 40 on the same server and that the US server is doing worse after it switched back to 32 slots." ### Oh here we go again with your bad math.
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37. Bottiger: "If it isn't fun then people won't keep joining. More slots does not automatically mean more players.". ### Alright I am getting fed up with this bottiger person. More slots available LITERALLY means more players. Now I am sure you mean't 'more slots available doesn't mean more people will join'. But I'm sure bottiger understands how one would assume he's ignorant at this point in the thread.
38. bowwow: "Actually more slots does mean more players." ###*slams desk* THANK YOU.
39. Bottiger: "We make decisions based on what is best for the server in the long term and it looks like more people prefer a larger slot count compared to a smaller amount." ### Alright man I'm gonna spell it out for you. You are using limited emperical data to come to your incomplete conclusion. Further more I am gonna go one step further and say you are incorrectly reading your data. Also, who is we? You are telling me serveral brains came to this conclusion? If AT&T internet was the only service offered in the area, are you gonna say "well if people didn't like AT&T they wouldn't sign up!" No you dumb idiot, that's the only choice they have. The other choices are either nonexistant or straight up worse.
40. Bottiger: "Nobody that is satisfied with 64 slots will bother to be here to complain or voice their satisfaction." ### Comparing apples to oranges here. Yes they're both fruit, but completely different. So you can't compare them. Low IQ comparison."
41. Definitely not ra.sp: In my opinion, to solve this whole situation, on the server should be made a poll." ### Agreed. Really dumb it wasn't.
42. Rexatronz: "You're comparing apples and oranges". ### See #39. Did I call it or what? I am reading and replying to each comment as they come, didn't read entire thread beforehand. Rex is smart. D_Ink is smart. Bottiger is not thus far.
43. Sam Alt-Man: " I'm not going to find the gameplay I'm looking for in Skial so I'll find another community." Well said, when morons run stuff, things won't get done and it is extremely frustrating, especially something you devoted a lot of time and effort into. But alas, yes, we will find other communities. Goes against your desire to keep servers alive, hmm?
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44. hug sports: "Have you considered maybe some of the reasons why other community servers are able to keep higher player counts and skial seemingly can't?" ### Clearly not cuz these peoplein correctly drawing conclucions using bad data. Additionally they're too ignorant to even realize how ignorant they are. Like 69% of the human population.
45. Bottiger: "If there were alternatives, you would be there playing instead of complaining here.". ### There are alternatives you dingus. Perhaps the low player count you're noticing is because you keep telling your players to fuck off if we don't like what you offering. Well...okay then. Bye.
46. gala: "We tend to not mute for month old offenses unless they're extremely serious" ### Your authority and opinions here are worthless here since your responses have been ass or troll.
47. Jermaphobe: "Misrepresent and straw-man him if you want, it does not make you right". ### Yeah...idiots making idiotic arguments. Nothing new so far.
48. argh: "If you had announced ahead of time, "We're losing players, we're trying 40 slots for two months to boost the player count" you probably would have avoided all this negativity, given time for discussion and helped the server acclimate to the change." ### Agreed. Really stupid this wasn't done to begin with.
49. Bottiger: "This is also my point. If no word has been mentioned, then why is it reasonable to assume that it would be permanent?" ### Dude, GET A FUCKING JOB. Do you roll out any software update without any notification, good or bad, positive or negative? (I am speaking about a professional career).You ALWAYS have a notification for EVERY LITTLE SINGLE THING DONE. No matter how miniscule. If it turns out to be nothing, great, you covered your ass and nothing will be disrupted. You instead did the OPPOSITE and are now having all this shit. You KEEP arguing further and further instead of owning up to your failures, putting down and chasing your player base away, and quite honestly making yourself look completely stupid.
Also, you point out "server may not always have same settings due to policy changes BY VALVE." ### Last I checked you arent Valve. Valve didn't make this change, you did. What a stupid point to make.
50. Jeffel and argh are making excellent point and these points are how the professional world works. No communications has never come with good results. Do you have a partner or are married? I can guess not cuz of the lack of communication skills.
51. Bottiger: "There's numerous evidence showing that it is preferred and I mentioned them multiple times. You just keep ignoring it." ### No, moron. We can clearly see the data and are coming to better conclusions than you are and you're too weird to admit it or listen to your playerbase. Real ass leader.
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52. Bottiger: "How convenient it is that you just attack the 1 point you think you have a chance at winning and just ignore the rest." ### Convenient how you choose to response the way you have. Lack of accounitbility, projection, insults, bad data. I'm sure all this goes over your head though since you lack self-awareness.
53. Bottiger: "I did explain it, and I said it multiple times. You guys just keep ignoring vast portions of what I say." ### Wrong once again. We hear everything you're saying. We just don't agree with the conclusions you're coming to. So we question everything about it. The experiment, the facts, the assumptions, the results, everything. You seem to think your opinion and word is somehow more accurate and higher than the others? This is not mob mentality happening here. We are all trying to have a conversation but I am not getting that same vibe from you.
54. Bottiger: "You're not getting the point." ### Gain some education and buy a mirror. I am growing quite tired of seeing the same points mentioned and answered with idiocy.
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55. Bottiger: "How convenient it is that you just attack the 1 point you think you have a chance at winning and just ignore the rest." ### How convenient it is of you to anything it is you're doing in this thread. Almost like you know you have a low chance of winning? Just quoting you. I think that's called projection lol.
56. Bottiger: "I have setup a 32 slot payload server in NY here which should be acceptable to a large portion of EU users. This is the best compromise I can do." ### This is the best you can do? Do something nobody asked for, argue with everybody about it, then provide a meager solution thinking this will solve the issue? Nobody asked for any of this. You're weird, Bottiger.
57. D_Ink: "There are at least 46 individuals "complaining" on this thread, that's equivalent to a server full. ### D_Ink, careful, he is scared of math!
58. D_Ink: "Are you serious...have you really been repeating that as fact based on Juans post on the forum??" ### I am finding myself aligned with Ink in a lot of stuff. And it seems this person can see how stupid Bottiger and mods are. It's not very hard to anybody with reading comprehension though.
59. Strudels, lol funny Jurassic Park meme.
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60. Oh hey, you finally showed some of that data you were hoarding.
61. bowwow is accurately calling out how obscure the provided data is. So not only did he not provide it initially, but is now providing droplets of it.
62. "Sam Alt-Man: "Bottinger you cannot be this dense." ### LOL Oh boy, I am finding that Bottiger, based on this single thread of 14 pages, is not only dense but an idiot.
63. Post # 247.....Bottiger dude just SHUT UP. Why are you choosing to continue to argue and go further down the rabbit hole? Just admit the wrong you have done, admit where you can improve, and call it a day. Only fucking children do this stupid back n forth you and others are doing in this thread. And it's mainly coming from you, Bottiger.
64. Bottiger: Post #259 "Where exactly did I say this?". Don't be fucking dense as someone mentioned earlier. Your dumbass gala and Ura mods both said this and I have mentioned this earlier as well. Since these mods represent Skial AND you, its essentialls the same as saying you said this. You are woefully inexperienced to not have come to this conclusion. Especially how you were toting 1-2 posts ago about doing the work to keep the server alive. Man up. Own it.
65. bowwow: "its like you yourself want to keep arguing. you keep misrepresenting most of the things i say, it feels like you cant read but i must say, masterful ragebait" ### Yeah hahaha I came to that same conclusion. This is either trolling at stupidly cosmic proportions or this person and Skial mods are legit this low intelligence.
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I am not reading this garbage. This is the worst page in the thread and covers nothing. Further, gala shows up again and we all knows how worthless this mod is. Bottiger continues to argue about shit he wants to be right on instead of the actual issue. Bottiger is doing nothing to alleviate the issue or make peace with the community. He does some half ass shit and then goes "I did this for you, are you not entertained?!" with that NY server.
Also I am not gonna see or reply to anybodys response. My philisophy is to not give a fuck as much as possible. But it is difficult seeing so many correct/just people being ignored or treated unjustly. These are good people and they have solid points and everything in response so far is pathetically asinine.
Read it and weep. I said what I said. Meet me at VLC Media Player in 69min if you want an ass kicking.
› buttered toast
